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Post#61 » by Brenice » Fri Apr 11, 2008 12:58 pm

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Brenice wrote:Did Arenas play against the Celtics during the back to back games? And the Celtics wanted to win at least the last 2 games. Don't act like the wiz played there best game last night. The fact is the Wiz have too many scorers for the Celtics. Stevenson is Cancelling Ray Allen out EVERY game. If KG goes to the bench, y'all suffer against the Wiz. Pierce finally outplayed Butler, but still loss.


...even with last night's 51% shooting, Washington is shooting 39% in the 4 games against Boston's D...

...not one single game of the 4 has had anything in common with the other statistically...Washington is very good, but let's not go crazy here...

In the first game WITH Arenas, Boston won by 20 points and Washington was NEVER in the game...the last 3 games all came down to the last 5 minutes, a credit to the Wiz that they won, no doubt, but there wasn't some type of consistent dominance in any of those wins...

The best thing Washington has done is score more points in the paint than the league average against Boston, most likely due to Jamison brining KG out of the post and Boston having to play tough against the 3 point threats...

the back-to-back wins came at the worst offensive part of the season for Boston and last nights game came 2 weeks after Boston's last meaningful game...

...series play is much different than games during the regular season...Boston is going to get to see Washington at least 4 times in a row...the same trix won't work in the playoffs, there won't be any surprises...

...TO's, rebounding, shot selection, and bench play is going to decide this series, not arbitrary regular season records...its good for the psyche I guess, but holds little weight come playoff time...

...and for you Boston fans...remember when we "owned" NJ in 2001? Dominated regular season 3-1 and then got worked...

..games spaced out and games played consecutively are like night and day...Boston has better personnel, plays better defense, and is more efficient on offense....they'll win a 7 game series but it won't be easy...


Y'all Boston fans got a zillion excuses. You said the back to back games were close. True that. But when it came to money time in the fourth quarter in the last 3 games of the series this year, which team stepped up. The better team. The Wizards.
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Post#62 » by wigglestrue » Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:15 pm

Brenice wrote:Y'all Boston fans got a zillion excuses. You said the back to back games were close. True that. But when it came to money time in the fourth quarter in the last 3 games of the series this year, which team stepped up. The better team. The Wizards.


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Post#63 » by SuperDeluxe » Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:18 pm

Brenice wrote:Y'all Boston fans got a zillion excuses. You said the back to back games were close. True that. But when it came to money time in the fourth quarter in the last 3 games of the series this year, which team stepped up. The better team. The Wizards.


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Post#64 » by Wizardspride » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:04 pm

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How are you going to be the bullets again when your team represents the murder capital of the world?I'm not PC at all, and I agree with the name change.


The Wiz represents the most powerful city
in the world. As far as I know,D.C. has not
been the "murder capital" of the world
for some time now.
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Post#65 » by wigglestrue » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:15 pm

Wizardspride wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Our team represents the most powerful city
in the world. If I'm correct,D.C. hasn't been the "murder capital"
of the world" for some time now.


It was at the time of the name change, though.
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Post#66 » by Wizardspride » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:19 pm

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It was at the time of the name change, though.

That's true but I don't think most people
associated the name of a NBA team with
violence in the city. At least,I didn't.....
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Post#67 » by Al n' Perk No Layups! » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:57 pm

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That's true but I don't think most people
associated the name of a NBA team with
violence in the city. At least,I didn't.....


Yeah, I'm pretty sure changing the name back to the Bullets wouldn't dramatically increase the crime rate. I don't think people would see the team and think "Wow a sports team is condoning violence, so it's totally ok if I go out and shoot the first person I see."

Bring back the Bullets!
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Post#68 » by nasbahceltic » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:34 pm

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Y'all Boston fans got a zillion excuses. You said the back to back games were close. True that. But when it came to money time in the fourth quarter in the last 3 games of the series this year, which team stepped up. The better team. The Wizards.


LMAO the better team!
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Post#69 » by Brenice » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:09 pm

What has Boston proven this year as a 95% healthy team that the Wizards haven't proven with a 70% healthy team? Is the record of the Wizards a product of their health and thus not a true measure of how good they really are?
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Post#70 » by cfan79 » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:13 pm

Brenice wrote:What has Boston proven this year as a 95% healthy team that the Wizards haven't proven with a 70% healthy team? Is the record of the Wizards a product of their health and thus not a true measure of how good they really are?


No offense to the Wizards fans. I hope they can beat the Cavs in the 1st round, But Boston is a much better team. We've got the best turnaround in NBA history and best defense. Plus we have the better big 3.
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Post#71 » by Brenice » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:25 pm

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No offense to the Wizards fans. I hope they can beat the Cavs in the 1st round, But Boston is a much better team. We've got the best turnaround in NBA history and best defense. Plus we have the better big 3.


No offense to Boston either. Just having fun. My real peave is that coming into this year, the media portrayed the Celtics as the #1 team(especially in the east) and with the Wizards like 8th or 9th. They acted like Cleveland swept the Wizards with Gilbert and Caron playing last year. Then with Gil missing most of the season, and Caron a portion at the same time, they continue to give them no credit, even after beating Boston 3 of 4, sweeping NOrleans, splitting with Detroit, beating Cleveland 2 of 3? I think, then beating other top western conference teams. They still say Boston is the best. Yes, the Celtics are good, but it is not a given that Boston is better. Yes the Celtics have a great defense, but a great offense beats a great defense.
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Post#72 » by MyInsatiableOne » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:28 pm

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No offense to Boston either. Just having fun. My real peave is that coming into this year, the media portrayed the Celtics as the #1 team(especially in the east) and with the Wizards like 8th or 9th. They acted like Cleveland swept the Wizards with Gilbert and Caron playing last year. Then with Gil missing most of the season, and Caron a portion at the same time, they continue to give them no credit, even after beating Boston 3 of 4, sweeping NOrleans, splitting with Detroit, beating Cleveland 2 of 3? I think, then beating other top western conference teams. They still say Boston is the best. Yes, the Celtics are good, but it is not a given that Boston is better. Yes the Celtics have a great defense, but a great offense beats a great defense.


Really? This is counter to the adage that has been proven true 99% of the time throughout sports history... :crazy:
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Post#73 » by cfan79 » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:28 pm

Brenice wrote:They acted like Cleveland swept the Wizards with Gilbert and Caron playing last year. Then with Gil missing most of the season, and Caron a portion at the same time, they continue to give them no credit, even after beating Boston 3 of 4, sweeping NOrleans, splitting with Detroit, beating Cleveland 2 of 3?


I agree about what you said about the media's perception of the Wizards. I think they've got a much deeper team then the Cavs. Golden boy Lebron gets a little too much spotlight time.
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Post#74 » by wigglestrue » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:29 pm

Brenice wrote:They still say Boston is the best. Yes, the Celtics are good, but it is not a given that Boston is better. Yes the Celtics have a great defense, but a great offense beats a great defense.


#1 - It is as given as givens can be: Boston is better. Profoundly better.
#2 - You should spend some time researching NBA playoff history.
#3 - If the Wizards had been 95% healthy...60 wins? ...70? :lol:
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Post#75 » by nasbahceltic » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:40 pm

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No offense to Boston either. Just having fun. My real peave is that coming into this year, the media portrayed the Celtics as the #1 team(especially in the east) and with the Wizards like 8th or 9th. They acted like Cleveland swept the Wizards with Gilbert and Caron playing last year. Then with Gil missing most of the season, and Caron a portion at the same time, they continue to give them no credit, even after beating Boston 3 of 4, sweeping NOrleans, splitting with Detroit, beating Cleveland 2 of 3? I think, then beating other top western conference teams. They still say Boston is the best. Yes, the Celtics are good, but it is not a given that Boston is better. Yes the Celtics have a great defense, but a great offense beats a great defense.


Man your reasoning is ass-backwards. Since when has great offense consistently beat great defense? Take a look at all of NBA champions since end of the 80's (starting with the Bad-Boy Pistons). All these teams have been great defensive teams.

I don't know where you're getting this "Boston was anointed before the season even began" crap from. Given there was alot of hype and excitement, but the media refused to give us our due up until the sweep of the Texas triangle.
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Post#76 » by MyInsatiableOne » Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:06 pm

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Man your reasoning is ass-backwards. Since when has great offense consistently beat great defense? Take a look at all of NBA champions since end of the 80's (starting with the Bad-Boy Pistons). All these teams have been great defensive teams.

I don't know where you're getting this "Boston was anointed before the season even began" crap from. Given there was alot of hype and excitement, but the media refused to give us our due up until the sweep of the Texas triangle.


I know, that's what I said before, in any sport good defense ALWAYS beats a good offense.

And the media didn't give Boston ANY credit almost the whole season, second-guessing of "yeah, but..."ing everything until 2 weeks ago.
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Post#77 » by nasbahceltic » Fri Apr 11, 2008 9:32 pm

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I know, that's what I said before, in any sport good defense ALWAYS beats a good offense.

And the media didn't give Boston ANY credit almost the whole season, second-guessing of "yeah, but..."ing everything until 2 weeks ago.


Yea after reading that last post its pretty obvious he's some little kid who doesn't know anything about the dynamics necessary to play championship level ball.
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Post#78 » by Brenice » Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:24 pm

Let me clarify myself. I was not saying that you don't have to play defense. You do have to play defense. You need both. If you have defense and no offense, you not going to win. San Antonio is recognized as a great defensive team. Tim Duncan, Ginobili, Parker are also offensive players as well. All are capable of taking over a game or series. Same with Detroit with Chauncey, Rip, and Rasheed. What I mean is that great offensive players can become better 2 way players offensive/defensive than defensive players when they try to become better defensive/offensive players. KG is a great 3 way player(rebounding/defense/offense. Always has been. Pierce is a great offensive player, decent 2 way player. Allen is a great offensive player, average defensive player. Compare that with the wizards. Arenas is a great offensive player, average at best defensive player. Butler is a decent 2 way player. Jamison is an above average offensive player/above average rebounder/below average defensive player. Haywood has become an adequate/average 2 way player. What makes up for the defense or improves the wizards defense is Stevenson and Haywood both decent defensive players becoming not self-check offensive players. You combine that with an above average 2 way bench and you have a contender in the east, not a pretender.

To the guy who wants to throw historical arguments into the equation, right now, nobody in the NBA can compete with Boston. But that was a long time ago. You should not use the past as a basis for the present, well they do that in the NBA where the league has no integrity.
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Post#79 » by bruno sundov » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:28 pm

How abou the no bench talk until after the all star break. That was crushed the first month of the season. It kept on coming up. I think they should rename the wiz to the, Washington's one and dones. It has a good ring to it. LOL
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Post#80 » by Cyclical » Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:52 am

Just reading this for the first time... listen, Washington is definitely an underrated team with some talent but c'mon, let's not get carried away here. They surprised us in games 2 and 3 during a generally bad stretch for the Celtics but game 4 saw lineup experiments by Doc that you will never see in a playoff game. Do you think KG will only play 30 minutes? Do you think Rondo will only play 24 while House gets 23 getting to chuck 3's and not lead the offense the whole time? No, not by a long shot. Will Perk only play 19 minutes? Do you believe Pierce will rarely drive to the basket, getting only 2 FT's? No.

It's absurd to think the Celtics where playing to win. Don't get me wrong, The players on the floor definitely were, but the game plan was not focused on that. Props to the Wiz for playing hard and not being intimidated but please, we all know who the better team is. The Wiz played it like a playoff game, the Celts did not.

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