That sleazeball Stern's at it again...

[MyInsatiableOne]

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Who is trolling? I thought we were having a good discussion.

....moving right along, ask any Raptor fan how they like Stern & you'll be stuck in a 30 minute conversation. Did you know that they blame Stern for not getting Iverson? They also blame Stern for keeping Oden & Durant from the Raptors? My point is, every fan has a bone to pick with Stern. It isn't some "help everyone but Boston" situation.

Just saying....

Hey dude,

We were having a good discussion...I meant that trolling comment as a joke and then decided it was a bad one so I had edited it out of my post but apparently you saw it first...sorry!

I wasn't aware the Raps have those beefs with Stern...I agree probably every team has a beef with him, except maybe the Lakers and Cavs!

[VinnyTheMick]

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Hey dude,

We were having a good discussion...I meant that trolling comment as a joke and then decided it was a bad one so I had edited it out of my post but apparently you saw it first...sorry!

No worries

I wasn't aware the Raps have those beefs with Stern...I agree probably every team has a beef with him, except maybe the Lakers and Cavs!

Yeah, the Raptors fans are real bitter. They think Stern created the HS rule just so he could keep Durant & Oden away from Toronto

[MyInsatiableOne]

In response to Delmonte West regarding Miami's tanking and possibility of landing the #1 pick in the lottery:

I have a solution to prevent tanking. Eliminate the lottery. The non-playoff teams should be ranked in reverse order, from best record to worst. The non-playoff team with the best record gets #1 pick, the next gets #2, and so on. This works perfectly for two reasons:

Reason 1) It completely removed the incentive for teams to tank and makes them play hard the entire season in order to improve their draft position. This would make the league more competitive (how many teams padded their records late this season playing the Heat, Bucks, Knicks, etc, teams that stopped trying a long time ago). It also removes the incentive for good teams who are beset by injuries from tanking in order to get high picks (see: 1997 Spurs)

Reason 2) The teams that are *just* missing the playoffs are just one or two good/great new players away from contending. Let's face it, very rarely does a team who wins 20 games instantly improve to 50+ wins with a new draft pick (see: Seatlle and Kevin Durant). But put Durant on a team like the GSW of this year, who *just* missed the playoffs, and they are in the thick of the playoff race for years to come.

What do you all think about this idea?

[Rocky5000]

In response to Delmonte West regarding Miami's tanking and possibility of landing the #1 pick in the lottery:

I have a solution to prevent tanking. Eliminate the lottery. The non-playoff teams should be ranked in reverse order, from best record to worst. The non-playoff team with the best record gets #1 pick, the next gets #2, and so on. This works perfectly for two reasons:

Reason 1) It completely removed the incentive for teams to tank and makes them play hard the entire season in order to improve their draft position. This would make the league more competitive (how many teams padded their records late this season playing the Heat, Bucks, Knicks, etc, teams that stopped trying a long time ago). It also removes the incentive for good teams who are beset by injuries from tanking in order to get high picks (see: 1997 Spurs)

Reason 2) The teams that are *just* missing the playoffs are just one or two good/great new players away from contending. Let's face it, very rarely does a team who wins 20 games instantly improve to 50+ wins with a new draft pick (see: Seatlle and Kevin Durant). But put Durant on a team like the GSW of this year, who *just* missed the playoffs, and they are in the thick of the playoff race for years to come.

What do you all think about this idea?

I don't think it's a good idea to do things like this. You'd have the same issue with teams playing to just miss the playoffs. The warriors and nuggets would be throwing games on purpose if Oden and Durant were coming out. And what's worse, having bad teams play bad on purpose, or having good teams play bad on purpose?

[tombattor]

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I don't think it's a good idea to do things like this. You'd have the same issue with teams playing to just miss the playoffs. The warriors and nuggets would be throwing games on purpose if Oden and Durant were coming out. And what's worse, having bad teams play bad on purpose, or having good teams play bad on purpose?

Exactly. There is no way to avoid tanking if there is a set way of getting the #1 pick. Which is why, even though many morons think it's rigged to help NBA lose money, ( ) it's probably the best way, since there is no guarantee.

[MyInsatiableOne]

The lottery is as imperfect a system as the one I proposed...I guess there's no way to do it right

[king_k4life]

Really?
Rose as the first pick?

Yeah people been saying Tank for Rose since game 2

And yes Rose is the #1 pick if Seattle or the Knicks get it

[tombattor]

The lottery is as imperfect a system as the one I proposed...I guess there's no way to do it right

Yeah, there is no foolproof way. However, the lottery is much better than having a set pick based on your record because it's the non-guarantee part that prevents teams from benefiting from tanking, while giving a bad team a good shot at getting the #1 pick.

People here just think it's horrible and rigged because it didn't benefit the Celtics. Instead, we got KG and have the best record in the league, I think it's time to get over it.

[MyInsatiableOne]

I don't think it's rigged, I just think it lets team tank (however creative they are about it) and can let really good teams get even better (see 1996-97 Spurs). Also the teams that are just on the cusp lose out on the talent that would put them over the top and the bad teams stay bad (with rare exceptions).

But it's probably here to stay, so oh well.

[MyInsatiableOne]

Here's an example I had forgotten about how the C's don't get the same leniency as other teams (taken from Bill Simmons' newest article, I had forgotten about the Miles case):

"Important note: The Celtics were forced to carry Reggie Lewis on their cap for three years after he passed away, as well as Vin Baker for three years after everyone agreed he was showing up drunk for practices. Somehow, Portland is allowed to wipe Miles off its cap because of a career-ending knee injury? Whaaaaaaaaaat? I'm starting the conspiracy theory that David Stern needed the Blazers to be good because he wanted Seattle to have a good team close by after Clay Bennett hijacked the Sonics, so he rigged the 2007 lottery and made this insane Miles decision. Now the Blazers are going to have the best young team in the league and they'll be a gazillion dollars under the cap after the 2009-09 season. Really, this is his finest work since he forced MJ to play baseball for 18 months as a pseudo-suspension. The man is a genius"

Now while I don't agree that Stern did this so the Blazers would be good, the C's *are* the only team this has happened to. As I said before, when Malik Sealy and Drazen Petrovic died, their teams got cap relief. Even Miami did when Mourning had a kidney disease (not a death, obviously). Why the double standard for the C's?

[Truthiracy]

- New York (23-59) won a tiebreaker with the Los Angeles Clippers

NO SURPRISE WHATSOEVER, wow, just give the Knicks the first pick already, I hate David Stern.