Danny Ainge, rightly so, points out that YOU are wrong

jfs1000d · Post #21 » by **jfs1000d** » Sat May 10, 2008 5:07 am

Doc had a bad atlanta series. He has been good this year for the most part and I think he has been good game 1 and 2.

But, those 4th quarters he did a bad job.Game 4 was a terrible game managing by doc.

3pt % · Post #22 » by **3pt %** » Sat May 10, 2008 6:25 am

wow, Ainge supporting his coach. Imagine that.

JJ killed Allen that game and Posey did a much better job defensively when given the chance.

Doc didn't make the change and that was bad coaching. What happened in game 7 has nothing to do with a complete lack of reaction in game 6.

Doc is learning like everyone else, and so long as the mistakes are taken as lessons, then that is fine.

the 4th quarter of game 6 was a horrible coaching job however.

BillessuR6 · Post #23 » by **BillessuR6** » Sat May 10, 2008 8:24 am

I can`t believe people are saying there was`t really anything the coaching staff could do in that game.

I don`t disagree that the whole defense broke down and that it was not an individual fault. But to say that we couldn`t make some adjustments? Are you kidding? So, we played 82 games with the exact same defense, we made no tweaks whatsoever playing different teams and players? The core defense, of course, is the same but you make little changes for every game individually.

So, why did we defend Johnson differently in the next game? I guess we made some corrections. I wonder why these weren`t implemented or at least why we didn`t try to implement them in the course of that game?

To say that we couldn`t do anything in that loss is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. No one is saying we should completely overhaul our whole defensive scheme in a few minutes but we could at least made a few minor tweaks to make the life difficult for Joe Johnson.

spf211 · Post #24 » by **spf211** » Sat May 10, 2008 11:20 am

billfromBoston wrote:When the team wins 4 games in blowout fashion and loses 3 close games on the road-that's the players not executing...

And what happens to coaches in the NBA when they can't get teams to execute? Hmmm...

It's also a bit disturbing to see Ainge picking up on Doc's "throw the player under the bus" mentality. But Danny really has to pay the price himself -- if he's content forming a championship talent level team and watching his inept coach / best friend squander it away, I guess that's his prerogative.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdGyR9bXsGE

CeltsfaninDC · Post #25 » by **CeltsfaninDC** » Sat May 10, 2008 12:04 pm

First off, are you completely unfamiliar with a GM praising a coach in public while killing him behind the scenes? Hmmmm, never happened before. You never heard of a GM or an owner saying someone's job is safe only to see that person fired a short time after? If they had lost that Gm7 do you think Doc would be coach next year?

Second, if RA couldn't cover JJ then its the coach's responsibility to put someone out there who could OR change the strategy to keep JJ from scoring. Thats what coaches do. You can't blame the player for being put oin a situation which he could not be successful in.

Tricky Ricky · Post #26 » by **Tricky Ricky** » Sat May 10, 2008 12:07 pm

LOL worst thread title ever

If Danny Ainge says it then it must be true

right?

RoyHobbs · Post #27 » by **RoyHobbs** » Sat May 10, 2008 12:44 pm

thebirdman wrote:I can`t believe people are saying there was`t really anything the coaching staff could do in that game.

I don`t disagree that the whole defense broke down and that it was not an individual fault. But to say that we couldn`t make some adjustments? Are you kidding? So, we played 82 games with the exact same defense, we made no tweaks whatsoever playing different teams and players? The core defense, of course, is the same but you make little changes for every game individually.

So, why did we defend Johnson differently in the next game? I guess we made some corrections. I wonder why these weren`t implemented or at least why we didn`t try to implement them in the course of that game?

To say that we couldn`t do anything in that loss is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. No one is saying we should completely overhaul our whole defensive scheme in a few minutes but we could at least made a few minor tweaks to make the life difficult for Joe Johnson.

This is pretty much a perfect post.

Gant · Post #28 » by **Gant** » Sat May 10, 2008 1:28 pm

The criticism that no adjustment was made is valid. None appeared to be made that game.

Though note that when the Celtics play historically great defense it's because of Tom Thibodeau, but somehow when the defense lapses it's because of Doc Rivers.

Cep · Post #29 » by **Cep** » Sat May 10, 2008 2:32 pm

If he's right or not, the fact that Allen scored 0 points in 6 quarters of basketball has nothing to do with coaching, has to do with him struggling too much to find his shot.

And anyway, why does Ainge feel like he needs to be a dick to the fans to make the players and Doc comfortable? If it weren't for fans, who are very passionate about the team, that's why they care so much, there wouldn't be a national basketball association. He just needs to understand how we feel too man. Say what you have to say and protect your players and all, but that tone was unnecessary.

celticfan42487 · Post #30 » by **celticfan42487** » Sat May 10, 2008 2:40 pm

No no no no. Don't you see, listen to what Danny said. It's not Doc's fault. It's not Ray's fault. Nothing is ever wrong with anything. In fact I really don't know why the NBA has a season or playoffs with Danny at the helm coaching the Celtics. Nothing at all is going to ever be wrong with us so they might as well mail us our championship rings in October.

bruno sundov · Post #31 » by **bruno sundov** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:09 pm

tombattor wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

I agree here. It had nothing to do with Ray. He just couldn't stay in front of JJ. It's Doc that should have recognized that and perhaps put a quicker defender like TA on him. Why not at least try it when the guy's torching you?

DA pretty much said it wasn't Doc's fault for not talking Ray off JJ. What he said was when Ray needed help it wasn't there. Sometimes it was Paul blowing the assignment, other times it was Leon, etc,etc.

bruno sundov · Post #32 » by **bruno sundov** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:11 pm

Cep wrote:If he's right or not, the fact that Allen scored 0 points in 6 quarters of basketball has nothing to do with coaching, has to do with him struggling too much to find his shot.

And anyway, why does Ainge feel like he needs to be a dick to the fans to make the players and Doc comfortable? If it weren't for fans, who are very passionate about the team, that's why they care so much, there wouldn't be a national basketball association. He just needs to understand how we feel too man. Say what you have to say and protect your players and all, but that tone was unnecessary.

How is DA being a dick to the fans? He is just being blunt as always in what he sees. Also ray didn't have a bad shooting game 1. he shot the rock 4 times. he had to be a little more assertive in that game. that was his biggest mistake.

ermocrate · Post #33 » by **ermocrate** » Sat May 10, 2008 4:46 pm

I've really not see Ray suffering the JJ guy too much, it's only that all his shots were falling, even 25 ft away from the basket with 2 hands on his face... What Ray is supposed to do? Block him like Josh ****? That's not gonna happen anytime soon or late.

return2glory · Post #34 » by **return2glory** » Sat May 10, 2008 7:20 pm

That is some BULL **** right there. Danny Ainge isn't going to come out and blame the coach or one player. That would be wrong and classless. DA is not that type of person.

But Ray Allen and the coach had to take some blame and they did by the fans. It's Ray Allen's job to keep J.J. in front of him since he was assigned to Johnson. It's wasn't like he was guarding a lightning quick player like CP3, Iverson, or Rondo.

And don't tell me the stategy of on guarding J.J. was the same the entire series. It wasn't after game 4 that we started aggressively double teaming J.J.