EDDIE HOUSE...

[tombattor]

House isn't hot, he went 1-5 today making him 5-22 in the postseason or 23% and he is a 35% shooter in the postseason in his career.

Sully, it's okay to admit your wrong. Who cares if Eddie House missed 4 of 5 shots? He more than made up for it in other areas. OTOH, your father, Sam Cassell, when his shots aren't falling, he's completely useless. Actually, I'd be ecstatic if he was just useless, he becomes a full-blown cancer, maybe even much worse.

1. He plays no defense.

2. He doesn't create for anyone.

3. He hogs the ball and kill any offensive flow.

4. We don't push the tempo under any circumstances when Sam gets the ball.

Against Detroit, we need a PG to play D because Billups is one of the best. And don't give me this BS about Sam and his imaginary big shot because he has yet to make one and he can't make one against infinitely superior player in Billups. He'll get lit up and his ego will force him to go mano-a-mano with Billups which is a losing formula.

Also, he doesn't create for anyone and causes everyone to stand around. Detroit, being one of the best defensive teams in the league will kill us if we do this.

And it's very very very important for us to push the tempo against the Pistons on missed basket, so we can get an easy basket. With Sam in the game, this never happens. Even on missed baskets, he walks the ball up and we run the same old stale half-court set he knows.

[tombattor]

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Yes. Sam should be the 3rd guard, nothing more.

I'd say he shouldn't be more than the 3rd carpet in the dressing room. Nothing more.

[atang00]

One of those missed shots by House was a fg attempt from half court with 1.2 seconds left. Those don't really count.

So 1/4, 25%---I will take that + the energy + the defense over Sam Cassell any dayy.

[dinoz]

House isn't hot, he went 1-5 today making him 5-22 in the postseason or 23% and he is a 35% shooter in the postseason in his career.

Amazing. Rondo goes for 8 points, 8 rebounds, and 8 assists, and yet Eddie House is proclamed as 'the man." Note also that, as a shooter in one of his spots, Eddie passed up the shot in the final minute to bounce pass to PJ Brown.

[GuyClinch]

Dude. Did you look at the box score?

http://www.nba.com/games/20080518/CLEBOS/boxscore.html

See there is this LITTLE NUMBER - it's called +/-. Eddie House was +13. That was team leading. Eddie House SPARKED this team with his hustle.

That's why he is getting love. Rondo OTOH was -8. Not that I am picking on Rondo. He is an excellent player. But if your going to use statistics to bash House at least look at the right ones.

Of course anyone who actually watched the game would see how the team, crowd, and entire world was sparked by House's hustle. It's one of those memorable signature plays that will stay with fans forever.

Pete

[armageddon]

Amen.

[tombattor]

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Amazing. Rondo goes for 8 points, 8 rebounds, and 8 assists, and yet Eddie House is proclamed as 'the man." Note also that, as a shooter in one of his spots, Eddie passed up the shot in the final minute to bounce pass to PJ Brown.

So? House had 2 guys running at him, so he correctly passed it to an open man, PJ Brown. Would you rather see him force up a shot and try to be the man? Then you'd want Cassell because he would have undoubtedly taken the shot with 2 guys on him and got his shot blocked by Z.

[sully00]

tombattor

This forum has been around a long time and what I said about Sam for the past season is there to be read. I knew who he was when everyone was pissing there pants about getting him, so I am not surprised about his play.

That said this idea that Eddie House is a difference maker is crap. Were was this magical impact on Fri night, when we had one of the worst offensive nights I have ever seen? Does anyone really think we won or lost that game 7 on Eddie House? With Eddie instead of Sam we lost a road game and won a home game what is the difference? I understand the problems that people have with Sam I just don't know what they expected and I don't think much of the scapegoating of him, he isn't the only guy whose shots aren't falling.

[GuyClinch]

Eddie sparked that squad too - the Friday night one.

http://www.nba.com/games/20080516/BOSCLE/boxscore.html

If you check the box score Rondo was -13 and House was +7. House CLEARLY sparked the team some in that game. I don't know what game you were watching.

In Sams last game OTOH it was Rondo with the postive numbers and Sam who hurt us. The coaching staff does track such numbers and you can be assured that's part of the reason why the made the switch.

Sam might be a better player then House but he hasn't really been integrated into our system yet. It because a more "traditional" style plodding half court team when Sam is in there.

Pete

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tombattor

This forum has been around a long time and what I said about Sam for the past season is there to be read. I knew who he was when everyone was pissing there pants about getting him, so I am not surprised about his play.

That said this idea that Eddie House is a difference maker is crap. Were was this magical impact on Fri night, when we had one of the worst offensive nights I have ever seen? Does anyone really think we won or lost that game 7 on Eddie House? With Eddie instead of Sam we lost a road game and won a home game what is the difference? I understand the problems that people have with Sam I just don't know what they expected and I don't think much of the scapegoating of him, he isn't the only guy whose shots aren't falling.

Eddie House doesn't even have to make positive impact to be better than Cassell. Cassell has been nothing but negative to this team in every possible way.

And we didn't win game 7 BECAUSE of House, but he played a no small role in it. Yes, PP gets the most credit, but you can't judge what House did based on just the shots he made or missed.

He came in when Cassell would and instead of being a selfish **** and looking only for his shots, he distributed the ball, only took shots when he was given one, and made hustle plays that got everyone energized. I don't know if you were at the game, but those plays got the entire arena rocking and people broke into "Eddie! Eddie!" chants each time.

Obviously we have no idea how the game would go with Cassell playing instead of House, but I'm pretty sure that Cassell would not have gotten the crowd going with his hustle plays like that. Maybe Cassell would have shot the lights out and gone 8-11 with 20 points, but from the way he's been shooting, that's doubtful. What's not doubtful is that he would have taken shots, whether they were good or bad.

And you know that PJ Brown shot? If it was Cassell, instead of House, he would have jacked it up and gotten it blocked by Z, instead of passing it to PJ for his shining moment.

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Eddie is an energy player. I really don't see how you don't understand his impact Sully. Clearly you're focusing too much on raw statistics.