Ray Allen's future in Boston

[Pogue Mahone]

In regards to Ray's PG comment, right, because wide open rhythm shots are always the PGs fault when you miss them. Ray has the star habit of gathering himself with the dribble before shooting, imo. We need a player who can (and will) space the floor, who shoots off the catch and who is always committed to defense. I don't believe Ray Allen is that player.

[Egregious Blunder]

how about Michael Redd for Ray Allen

[eitanr]

The team would be best suited to unload Ray or at least wait until he is a big expiring contract and then deal him. I have said this all season long, the team is not better with Ray Allen.

Pierce said it himself that he was exhausted covering LeBron all series long. That is a very bad tactic to have your top offensive guy guard the opposing team's top offensive force. Pierce then can't save his energy for offense. How he scored 41 points with his energy level is beyond me. He and Ray are a bit redundant in the starting 5 together. It makes more sense to start Posey or Allen, have him guard the opposing team's top offensive wing, and then trade Ray for potential pieces or more depth.

Moving Ray for Curry and Crawford seems sensible. Yes they are Knick players, but you have to see them as non Knicks. Curry provides low post scoring, and Crawford can carry the 2nd unit's scoring.

Ray is a fine player, he just doesn't make that much sense on this team.

[hiphop1]

The team would be best suited to unload Ray or at least wait until he is a big expiring contract and then deal him. I have said this all season long, the team is not better with Ray Allen.

Pierce said it himself that he was exhausted covering LeBron all series long. That is a very bad tactic to have your top offensive guy guard the opposing team's top offensive force. Pierce then can't save his energy for offense. How he scored 41 points with his energy level is beyond me. He and Ray are a bit redundant in the starting 5 together. It makes more sense to start Posey or Allen, have him guard the opposing team's top offensive wing, and then trade Ray for potential pieces or more depth.

Moving Ray for Curry and Crawford seems sensible. Yes they are Knick players, but you have to see them as non Knicks. Curry provides low post scoring, and Crawford can carry the 2nd unit's scoring.

Ray is a fine player, he just doesn't make that much sense on this team.

I like the NYK trade. I think it would only make are team better.

[GuyClinch]

Really? I saw him turning down wide open shots, showing almost no space discipline, poor decisions in the pick game, etc. Any player without Ray's pedigree would have been benched a long time ago, imo.

Agreed. I am really surprised we haven't seen any of Tony Allen. Hey Tony Allen isn't a great shooter but he will take an open jumper..

Pete

[ICanOutreboundWalter]

For this series I don't know what happens with Ray Allen. I will be biting my nails on a game by game basis and hope for the best, because unfortunately Doc never listens to my suggestions (Except for House, who I have a feeling will be pulled for Sam I am any day now).

But next year, whoever the coach is, their #1 task needs to be to get Ray Allen to fit into the Big 3. Is it going to be easy? No. In fact, the easiest way might be to have him be the 6th man and whenever he is in, make him the focal point of the offense. The problem is that while Paul Pierce learned to be an efficient player in the last few years, and KG has never been one to need a million shots, Ray has always been somewhat of a volume shooter, albeit a very successful one. In Boston we use the term volume shooter as a negative, because we associate it with Antoine - but there are some players that simply shoot better with more repetition.

Unfortunately, those are the players that are the hardest to integrate. But Ray at this point is untradeable - we would have to take back a poison pill like Wally and then some to get rid of him - so we are much, much better off finding a way for him to look somewhat like the Ray Allen we saw in Seattle.

The only encouraging thing, though, is that Cleveland and Detroit have both more or less defended Allen hard. It isn't like they are cheating off of him, ala Rondo. They are defending him extra hard hoping to get him into a funk, and its working. But it IS slightly opening more space for PP and KG...

[Pogue Mahone]

I asked about this scenario back in early April and I would definitely attempt to visit it in the offseason.

Celtics
Trade Ray Allen and Glen Davis
Receive Mike Miller and Nene

Bulls*
Trade Kirk Hinrich, Thabo Sefolosha and Cedric Simmons
Receive Ray Allen and Glen Davis

Nuggets
Trade Nene
Receive Kirk Hinrich

Grizzlies
Trade Mike Miller
Receive Thabo Sefolosha and Cedric Simmons

The Skinny:

BOS: Get a player who will most likely work better as a third option than Ray Allen. Also better off the catch and shoot. Better team defender, ball-handler and decidedly cheaper, as well. Get a solid PF/C who is cost-controlled. Has the offensive ability to play without Garnett, the versatility to play with Garnett, Perkins or Powe and the defensive ability, size and quickness to present match-up nightmares for opposing offenses.

CHI: Rid themselves of Hinrich's contract in the short-term. Get a player who can create his own shot and, if need be, could be employed with either Deng, Hughes or both. Shed long-term salary. Get a super-sized prospect.

DEN: Get a big PG, who can hit the three, to pair with Iverson in the backcourt. Actually shed some long-term salary because of the way the Hinrich deal is structured.

MEM: Get what amounts to two expiring deals and close to $5.5M in savings. Each of the expiring contracts is in the form of a young player that may have upside that intrigues Chris Wallace. Wallace, at least indirectly through Danny Ainge, was rumored to have had interest in each previously.

Likelihood: I actually think that this deal satisfies all parties pretty fairly. It is unlikely that Boston would want to break-up the triumvirate this early but, then again, going into the off-season of 2009-10, Ray Allen is an expiring. Keep in mind, Rivers absolutely loves Mike Miller. I don't think it is all that far-fetched.

Memphis may feel a bit aggrieved but hell, they would be saving $15M+ over the next two seasons, get two youngsters and could continue to build for the future.

*The deal, as stipulated. could not be made official until the 1 Jul 08 because of Hinrich's BYC status.

Now, I ask, if Chicago takes Rose (they should), does Rose/Allen + future salary relief outweigh Beasley/Hinrich or Rose/Hinrich? I think it does.

[hiphop1]

What about Ray for Hinrich and Larry Hughes? Or Ray for Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford.

[kakopedi1]

How bout Ray, Scal & Powe for Redd & Gadzuric?

[kingly222]

Sorry if this was already mentioned, but has anyone heard about Rondo, Allen and Perk to Houston for Yao? I heard this may go down if they dont win it all. I just dont see the celtics trading Rondo. Good luck tonight

[MyInsatiableOne]

What about Ray for Hinrich and Larry Hughes? Or Ray for Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford.

Holy **** NO WAY. The ONLY guy in that list I'd even remotely want on the C's is Hinrich, and certainly not in place of Ray or anyone else we have.

Terrible ideas, man!

[Athanacropolis]

Sorry if this was already mentioned, but has anyone heard about Rondo, Allen and Perk to Houston for Yao? I heard this may go down if they dont win it all. I just dont see the celtics trading Rondo. Good luck tonight

I did not hear about thins, and I wouldn't do it. Why trade a great, young point guard for 40 games of Yao Ming? No deal.

[MyInsatiableOne]

Sorry if this was already mentioned, but has anyone heard about Rondo, Allen and Perk to Houston for Yao? I heard this may go down if they dont win it all. I just dont see the celtics trading Rondo. Good luck tonight

This was brought up a month or so ago and the consensus was a resounding NO!

We've spent YEARS looking for a PG and now that we have one we're gonna trade him? For a guy who has feet made out of fine china (no pun intended) who'll give you 40 games a year?

It's worked out so "great" for Houston with T-Mac, why would we want it here? NO!!!

[Egregious Blunder]

ray & #30

for

zach randolph & #5

??

possibility?

ray allen's contract end when Labron becomes a FA

[MyInsatiableOne]

ray & #30

for

zach randolph & #5

??

possibility?

ray allen's contract end when Labron becomes a FA

Good Lord, no...why the **** would we want Randolph, aka "Mr Locker room Cancer?"

[hiphop1]

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Holy **** NO WAY. The ONLY guy in that list I'd even remotely want on the C's is Hinrich, and certainly not in place of Ray or anyone else we have.

Terrible ideas, man!

I guess we will agree to disagree. I think both of these deals would make our team even better.

[cloverleaf]

I just can't see it, but I don't think Danny sits on his hands this summer--and I wouldn't be surprised to see Ray bundled out of here with some of our young talent. Good to see kingly222 back posting.

[Egregious Blunder]

i just threw the deal out there, but i kinda like it

if ANYONE can get zach to work, KG can. and he just turned 27.

the #5 pick????

OJ mayo, jared bayless, Danilo Gallinari, kevin love?
theres some serious talent out there at 5.

[hiphop1]

i just threw the deal out there, but i kinda like it

if ANYONE can get zach to work, KG can. and he just turned 27.

the #5 pick????

OJ mayo, jared bayless, Danilo Gallinari, kevin love?
theres some serious talent out there at 5.

I don't think NYK are going to give up the #5 to get rid of Zach. I like Ray for Curry and Crawford better.

[BakersDozen]

ray & #30

for

zach randolph & #5

??

possibility?

ray allen's contract end when Labron becomes a FA

I'd do it. The knicks , eeeeeh I doubt they would.