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Ray at Point Guard?(for stretches)

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Post#21 » by cisco » Sun Jun 1, 2008 4:30 pm

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When Ray was traded to Seattle, he was played at the point for the first few games. I dont know if anyone remembers, but he was averaging nearly a triple double in those first few games before they moved him to his natural SG position. He's capable of bringing up the ball, but obviously not as good as rondo at getting it to where its gotta go.


Nah. I'd rather Paul handle the ball in a pinch than Ray. Pierce is a better playmaker than Ray and can get to the rim if the play breaks down. C'mon, haven't you been watching the games?
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Post#22 » by nyhuskyfan » Sun Jun 1, 2008 4:52 pm

Earlier in his career, it would have worked like a charm. He averaged six assists a game in the 2001 playoffs with the Bucks, because they would put the ball in his hands, he'd come off a high screen, and either attack the basket and dish, or find the open man off a double-team. If the Bucks had better finishers around the basket, he might have averaged seven or eight assists.

Now, he just seems to lack that little bit of quickness, whether it be the ankle surgery or just being 32. He can't get to the spots on the floor he wants coming off a screen as consistently as he used to, so his passes are more often the bailout variety, as opposed to the make something happen variety. The exception is when he passes off the catch after coming off a screen, the way he did on the 180-degree turn and kick out to Posey for three in Game 6 against Detroit (he often finds Garnett flaring out to the corner after screens that way as well).

Cassell would be fine if he would stop trying to be a volume shooter in 10 minutes of PT. There was a play in the second quarter when he got the ball at the top of the key off an offensive rebound, Ray (who was hot at the time) flared out to the wing looking for the ball, Sam waved him off to try to get into a set, and the set consisted of him dribbling for 10 seconds and forcing up a fadeaway. Nobody else ever touched the ball. That's the crap that has to stop.
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Post#23 » by Rocky5000 » Sun Jun 1, 2008 9:51 pm

Akiho wrote:u guys think tampering with a lineup that made it to the finals before game 1 is the right way to adjust?

if doc rivers did that, it would mean panic signals straight away

obviously give your original five a go before making rash adjustments


You must have missed the "for streches" part of my post. We'd use this lineup when our offense is struggling because of the Lakers ignoring Rondo or when Rondo needs a breather.

Also Doc has changed the PG rotation for every series we've been in so far and he's definitely changed the rotation from the regular season.
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Post#24 » by cavsfan_osiris » Sun Jun 1, 2008 11:59 pm

Akiho wrote:thats great...

experiment with ray at the point at this point in time

thats the way to win championships!

DO IT DOC! DO IT!


It's not an experiment IMO. Eddie House never operates as a point guard, whenever he plays the offense runs through PP or Ray most of the time. Basically that's all this thread is asking, for the team to go back to how they were operating pre-cassell.
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Post#25 » by Dr Aki » Mon Jun 2, 2008 12:59 am

its not to do with whether rayray or pp can run the point

its whether changing your schemes now OF ALL TIMES is the right thing to do
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