Have the Celtics Made a QO to Tony Allen?

[billfromBoston]

You would have to figure the draft plays into their decision. It they can land an NBA ready SG like Lee or decide to go with Jamont Gordon who you can only assume will be there then you figure they aren't going to give him the QO.

It is a lot of money when you factor in the tax, Grant Hill played for just shy of a million dollars less last season. I think Tony will probably get that and more on a 2-3 year deal on the market but it doesn't mean it is a good idea for Boston.

....there is no such thing as an "NBA ready" player for a title contending team..the chances of getting getting one of those is less than 10%...

Don't bank on the draft being the place to bolter the rotation..not for this season...

[Athanacropolis]

You would have to figure the draft plays into their decision. It they can land an NBA ready SG like Lee or decide to go with Jamont Gordon who you can only assume will be there then you figure they aren't going to give him the QO.

It is a lot of money when you factor in the tax, Grant Hill played for just shy of a million dollars less last season. I think Tony will probably get that and more on a 2-3 year deal on the market but it doesn't mean it is a good idea for Boston.

....there is no such thing as an "NBA ready" player for a title contending team..the chances of getting getting one of those is less than 10%...

Don't bank on the draft being the place to bolter the rotation..not for this season...

Exactly. A healthy Tony Allen, warts and all, will have a more positive impact on this team than anyone the Celtics can get in the draft. I don't see why everyone wants to run Tony out of town. I still think he can be a very good "utility" type player on this team. His D and athletic ability, coupled with a jumpshot that seems to get better every year, make him too much of an asset to pass up.

Caveat: If he gets injured again this year, I will revise this opinion.

[Celtics_85]

I have stated many times this year and will say it again, " TA was held back some by his injury and more so by this organization keeping his worth low!" TA showed us all what kind of player he was before his stupid injury, and when that happened I started to say how much money it would cost TA for his stupidity. Any person that wants to deny his talents are not too bright as basketball talent evaluators. When Ray was brought in we all knew TA would not get significant minutes which would allow him to heel the knee better, but Ainge took it even further by holding him back to a lower pay day. If Ray goes down, this is the guy I want to see playing in his place. He is capable of giving double digit scoring every night while playing more than solid defense, and to tell you the truth I would like to see him start and bring Ray off the bench for scoring and still play 30 minutes a night, which in the long run extends Ray's career.

[Dirty Water]

The NBA...

where terrible collective bargaining agreements

...happens

[Celts17Pride]

TA was held back some by his injury and more so by this organization keeping his worth low.

Sorry but TA is the one that held TA back. I think at this point a fresh start on a new team is what TA really needs right now. He isn't going to amount to much as long as he stays in Boston. IMO.

[tombattor]

The NBA...

where terrible collective bargaining agreements

...happens

It's still the best collective bargaining in American Sports. Do you want it to be like baseball where the Knicks, Celtics and the Lakers are the only teams that can afford to have good players? How about like NFL where you we'd have to choose 1 from the Big 3 to keep because of the hard cap and every team in the league has to turn over their roster every year?

[ParticleMan]

Unless it's his brain that's injured, I don't think it's injury holding him back. It's inconsistency and mental lapses.

I've supported TA a lot but for $2.75mil (and again as much in luxury tax) he's just not worth it. Not for a guy who doesn't project to be a top-8 rotation player. We can draft someone who we can develop in another 1-2 years to be just as good. Maybe it hurts us a bit in the short term, but how much did TA really contribute in the playoffs? Do you really think it'll be any more next season?

[Celtics_85]

The only thing Posey has on TA is he is a veteran player. TA is a better defender and scorer than Posey, and can also guard three positions. Now I'm not saying get rid of Posey for TA, but why not have two guys with that type ability coming off the bench? The worse case scenerio is TA takes his qualifying offer and becomes an unrestricted FA next year, which would really be the best case for both sides as TA will have a year to prove his true worth and at least build up his trade value.

[sully00]

You would have to figure the draft plays into their decision. It they can land an NBA ready SG like Lee or decide to go with Jamont Gordon who you can only assume will be there then you figure they aren't going to give him the QO.

It is a lot of money when you factor in the tax, Grant Hill played for just shy of a million dollars less last season. I think Tony will probably get that and more on a 2-3 year deal on the market but it doesn't mean it is a good idea for Boston.

....there is no such thing as an "NBA ready" player for a title contending team..the chances of getting getting one of those is less than 10%...

Don't bank on the draft being the place to bolter the rotation..not for this season...

That is nonsense. If Tony Allen and his 10 PER in a career high of 1300 mins is in the rotation or a role player his performance can be equaled by a draft pick. Almost every contending team had either a true rookie or green second year player on their team playing near 1000 mins.

But that skips the overall point of being able to get a better veteran player as well as draft a younger player at the same position for less money than Tony's QO.

[Rocky5000]

Sully, what better veteran free agent SGs do you see signing for less than Tony's QO?

[JR Hawks]

The only thing Posey has on TA is he is a veteran player. TA is a better defender and scorer than Posey, and can also guard three positions. Now I'm not saying get rid of Posey for TA, but why not have two guys with that type ability coming off the bench? The worse case scenerio is TA takes his qualifying offer and becomes an unrestricted FA next year, which would really be the best case for both sides as TA will have a year to prove his true worth and at least build up his trade value.

Posey and TA are not equals. Not even close.

Posey is a winner, makes few mistakes and hits clutch shots.

TA does none of the above.

That being said, I'd bring TA back. He's cheap, more productive than a draft pick and his knee should be good to go next year.