Ainge is smart after all!

phoolishly_insane · Post #1 » by **phoolishly_insane** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 12:29 am

As in why would you sign Posey to a 5 year deal which he will turn 37 or 38 at the end of the deal?
We need to have as much cap space when Pierce/Garnett/Allen contract expires or retires.

If Maggette signs with Celtics for 5 year deal, we got a bargain since he will only turn 33 at the end of the deal.

Also, a good thing that Allen's contract will expire after next season and we could use him as a trade bait or let him expire. Do we have a chance to get LeBron? I'd like to dream about him in Celtics uniform but I know it won't happen. (you never know)

I trust Ainge after all even he had some bad deals in the past that turned into a Championship.

Jammer · Post #2 » by **Jammer** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 1:13 am

Posey is 31.

It sounds like he would accept a 4 year deal (age 35 at end),

even though he had initially said 5 years (age 36 at end).

However, all indications are that the Celtics offered something like 3 years at 4 million per year.

Competitors can not only offer a 4th and 5th year,

but if you add 8% raises each year to a starting salary of $5.6 million or so, it goes up considerably.

Post #3 » by **sully00** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 1:16 am

We also won't be signing James to a 5 year deal because we can't and either can anyone else. That would be an over 36 contract meaning that his annual average salary would be reduced so that the final year of his deal can be paid out over the first 4 years. Using the MLE Posey would make the same total amount of money on a 4 year deal that he would on a 5.

For this same reason it is more than likely that Maggette only wants a 2 or 3 year deal or at least an option so that he can sign a 5 year contract before he will be in that over 36 window himself.

Post #4 » by **canman1971** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 1:16 am

Anyone who thinks Ainge would give Posey a contract that extends longer than KGs must have been slipped some acid at dinner. I say Ainge offered either a 2 year deal with a club/player option for a 3rd. If someone wants to give Posey a 4-5 year deal, go for it. I'll say thanks Posey for all your contributions. Have fun watching us in the finals again next year, JK. In all seriousness, if Posey wants to cash in, he should do what he feels is best for him and I wish him all the luck in doing so.

grantlongforpresident · Post #5 » by **grantlongforpresident** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 1:17 am

Maggette is likley not coming here. He will chose A) A team that gives him more then the MLE B) The Spurs C) Maybe Boston but possibly Detroit.

Long shot. Sign Posey 4 years MLE. I don't care if we are overpaying by one year. I want to win in the next two seasons. Let's worry about 3 years from now later.

phoolishly_insane · Post #6 » by **phoolishly_insane** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 1:28 am

grantlongforpresident wrote:Maggette is likley not coming here. He will chose A) A team that gives him more then the MLE B) The Spurs C) Maybe Boston but possibly Detroit.

Long shot. Sign Posey 4 years MLE. I don't care if we are overpaying by one year. I want to win in the next two seasons. Let's worry about 3 years from now later.

You're right, Posey will be 35 which is a good age to finish the contract.

Post #7 » by **sully00** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 1:33 am

I am looking at the FAQ and some other things about the over 36 rule and Posey may be able to sneak bye on a 5 year deal because his birthday isn't until Jan. Still isn't very likely that anyone gives him that long a deal but he may actually be eligible for it.

As far as signing Posey to this deal so that we can win now that would seem to be kind of silly. The whole point in not paying him this money is to preserve MLE to fill some of the other gaping holes on this roster so that this team can win now. If we burn the MLE on Posey we have nothing to sign a vet pg or big man, for a team rode Sam Cassell and PJ Brown like rented mules in the playoffs.

I like Posey a lot, but we have better options at the PF spot in Davis and Powe and Posey isn't as good on the ball one on one as Pierce or Allen at their respecitve positions. For just shy of 6 mil I would rather find another defender at the 4/5 spot to take the load off Perk and KG who are the true heart soul of this defense.

phoolishly_insane · Post #8 » by **phoolishly_insane** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 1:38 am

sully00 wrote:I am looking at the FAQ and some other things about the over 36 rule and Posey may be able to sneak bye on a 5 year deal because his birthday isn't until Jan. Still isn't very likely that anyone gives him that long a deal but he may actually be eligible for it.

As far as signing Posey to this deal so that we can win now that would seem to be kind of silly. The whole point in not paying him this money is to preserve MLE to fill some of the other gaping holes on this roster so that this team can win now. If we burn the MLE on Posey we have nothing to sign a vet pg or big man, for a team rode Sam Cassell and PJ Brown like rented mules in the playoffs.

I like Posey a lot, but we have better options at the PF spot in Davis and Powe and Posey isn't as good on the ball one on one as Pierce or Allen at their respecitve positions. For just shy of 6 mil I would rather find another defender at the 4/5 spot to take the load off Perk and KG who are the true heart soul of this defense.

Also, Posey is not a starter... he's a sixth man.
With that amount of money, that's almost a starter $$$$$.

grantlongforpresident · Post #9 » by **grantlongforpresident** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 3:59 am

sully00 wrote:I am looking at the FAQ and some other things about the over 36 rule and Posey may be able to sneak bye on a 5 year deal because his birthday isn't until Jan. Still isn't very likely that anyone gives him that long a deal but he may actually be eligible for it.

As far as signing Posey to this deal so that we can win now that would seem to be kind of silly. The whole point in not paying him this money is to preserve MLE to fill some of the other gaping holes on this roster so that this team can win now. If we burn the MLE on Posey we have nothing to sign a vet pg or big man, for a team rode Sam Cassell and PJ Brown like rented mules in the playoffs.

I like Posey a lot, but we have better options at the PF spot in Davis and Powe and Posey isn't as good on the ball one on one as Pierce or Allen at their respecitve positions. For just shy of 6 mil I would rather find another defender at the 4/5 spot to take the load off Perk and KG who are the true heart soul of this defense.

You aren't giving James Posey enough credit. No Posey, No Championship - He is that important.

We are talking about the 6th man on a 66-win, Championship Team. He is so much more than a hustle player. The last three seasons he has shot .403, .375, .380 from beyond the 3pt line. Guys like that deserve the full MLE.

Rocky5000 · Post #10 » by **Rocky5000** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 4:09 am

3 point shooting isn't hard to find, you won't find teams giving E. House the Full MLE.

buckner1976 · Post #11 » by **buckner1976** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 4:57 am

grantlongforpresident wrote:
sully00 wrote:I am looking at the FAQ and some other things about the over 36 rule and Posey may be able to sneak bye on a 5 year deal because his birthday isn't until Jan. Still isn't very likely that anyone gives him that long a deal but he may actually be eligible for it.

As far as signing Posey to this deal so that we can win now that would seem to be kind of silly. The whole point in not paying him this money is to preserve MLE to fill some of the other gaping holes on this roster so that this team can win now. If we burn the MLE on Posey we have nothing to sign a vet pg or big man, for a team rode Sam Cassell and PJ Brown like rented mules in the playoffs.

I like Posey a lot, but we have better options at the PF spot in Davis and Powe and Posey isn't as good on the ball one on one as Pierce or Allen at their respecitve positions. For just shy of 6 mil I would rather find another defender at the 4/5 spot to take the load off Perk and KG who are the true heart soul of this defense.

You aren't giving James Posey enough credit. No Posey, No Championship - He is that important.

We are talking about the 6th man on a 66-win, Championship Team. He is so much more than a hustle player. The last three seasons he has shot .403, .375, .380 from beyond the 3pt line. Guys like that deserve the full MLE.

if we gave him the full mle wed be overpaying him. i know all his intagibles as does everyone. but im sorry you dont pay 6mil to a 6th man thats a spot up shooter averaging 7ppg. im sorry but thats just not good business. and any team out there willing to do that is desparate. fact is i could maybe see this if he only wanted 2 years. his contract comes off then with ray and scals and we have money to play with in '10 when some big names could be available. danny playing this smart. he has to think about the long term future of this team. the maggette offer i bet isnt more than 2 years either.

honestly i dont see us getting either and instead having to go with a much lower profile player as a fallback. theres no surprise hes brought in the likes of darius miles, kirk snyder, eddie basden, and david noel to work out with this team. snyder seems like a fit for us. hes familiar with thibideoux's schemes from his houston days. hes decent defensively and hes has the size(6'6, 225) to step in and play on the wing. he and jr will get the lion's share of the backup minutes.

cisco · Post #12 » by **cisco** » Tue Jul 8, 2008 1:02 pm

Rocky5000 wrote:3 point shooting isn't hard to find, you won't find teams giving E. House the Full MLE.

Except Posey isn't just a 3 pt shooter. If that was all he was, I'd agree with you, but that's not hardly the case. People act like they haven't watched any of the games last season. Posey is way more than just a 3 pt shooter that scores 7 pts a game and everyone who watched the games knows it, whether they want to admit it or not. Posey does just about everything (score when needed, defend, rebound, play several positions on both ends, very intelligent player...... I can go on), which could take more than one person to replace everything he does (which is why I think Posey is the one role player I feel is worth the full mle for 3 years). You can't determine Posey's worth by looking at the stat sheet.