July 4 Globe article on Posey/Maggette

[TheCelticTruth]

is it just me, or does detroit seem like a worse option for him unless they move some of those wing players? i know we have allen and pierce, but we wouldnt have anyone behind them who would earn minutes over maggs, whereas the pistons play stuckey a lot, and play afflalo and hayes as well, all pretty consistently

[SuperDeluxe]

is it just me, or does detroit seem like a worse option for him unless they move some of those wing players?

A few days ago it was reported that Tayshaun Prince was on the block.

[7r5ur]

is it just me, or does detroit seem like a worse option for him unless they move some of those wing players? i know we have allen and pierce, but we wouldnt have anyone behind them who would earn minutes over maggs, whereas the pistons play stuckey a lot, and play afflalo and hayes as well, all pretty consistently

Well, Hayes would obviously not be re-signed if we got Maggette (Which I think is unlikely anyways). Afflalo wouldn't play much. He only played consistently this year when Rip or Stuckey were out. Maggette would likely get all of the backup SG and SF minutes with Chauncey and Stuckey splitting the PG minutes in half.

The other factor would be trades. Billups and Prince are 2 of the more likely candidates for trade. If either were traded for a big, it would open up enough minutes to give Maggette at least 30 minutes or so. Not to mention the fact that if we could get him for the MLE, it would allow Joe to be much more aggressive in trying to move multiple players for 1 star-type player. All of a sudden we could package Billups and Prince, etc for a big-time player without losing a ton in the starting lineup (by promoting Stuckey and Maggette)...

It's all theoretical though. I don't think he'd consider Detroit when he could start for San Antonio or play for a superior team in Boston.

[JMillott]

I think the world of Maggette and actually would rather have him then Posey without question because I honestly think that if Posey gets a longer term deal that he could get fatcat syndrome. He has had a very up and down career to this point and really hasn't for the most part lived up to his talent level.

I mean you can't say with honesty that James Posey shouldn't have been able to lock up a starting SF gig during his career based on talent. He bounced around the league for a reason and it was because he was very inconsistent from year to year.

I also think we can get most of what we got from James Posey from Giddens even as a rookie. The defense, rebounding and three point shooting but minus the steady free throw shooting, I don't think that is enough to get me to want Posey for more then the 3.8 million with 20% raises that he is eligible for under the cap without touching the MLE.

That being said I think its quite possible that the absolute bestcase scenario for the Celtics might be to miss out on both Posey and Maggette. Instead bringing back Tony Allen at a low reasonable salalry and using the MLE to bring in Delonte West and maybe Robert Swift?

PG Rondo/West/Pruitt
SG Allen/Allen/West
SF Pierce/Giddens/Allen
PF Garnett/Powe
C Perkins/Swift/Davis

[hiphop1]

I think the world of Maggette and actually would rather have him then Posey without question because I honestly think that if Posey gets a longer term deal that he could get fatcat syndrome. He has had a very up and down career to this point and really hasn't for the most part lived up to his talent level.

I mean you can't say with honesty that James Posey shouldn't have been able to lock up a starting SF gig during his career based on talent. He bounced around the league for a reason and it was because he was very inconsistent from year to year.

I also think we can get most of what we got from James Posey from Giddens even as a rookie. The defense, rebounding and three point shooting but minus the steady free throw shooting, I don't think that is enough to get me to want Posey for more then the 3.8 million with 20% raises that he is eligible for under the cap without touching the MLE.

That being said I think its quite possible that the absolute bestcase scenario for the Celtics might be to miss out on both Posey and Maggette. Instead bringing back Tony Allen at a low reasonable salalry and using the MLE to bring in Delonte West and maybe Robert Swift?

PG Rondo/West/Pruitt
SG Allen/Allen/West
SF Pierce/Giddens/Allen
PF Garnett/Powe
C Perkins/Swift/Davis

For a fresh you writing on a REAL level. Straight Up, GOOD READ!

[GuyClinch]

That being said I think its quite possible that the absolute bestcase scenario for the Celtics might be to miss out on both Posey and Maggette. Instead bringing back Tony Allen at a low reasonable salalry and using the MLE to bring in Delonte West and maybe Robert Swift?

You can't be serious. This is a joke right?

[Fencer reregistered]

heres a scenario i havent seen considered. maybe maggette signs an mle deal for only a year or 2 years. i mean lets be honest, corey couldnt have fallen into a worse offseason to have his right renounced. i know he thinks hes worth more than 5.8 mil. so maybe he signs the shorter deal to improve his stock as a winning contributor and then after a year or 2 retests the market when more teams will have more money. everyone seems to be assuming corey would sign a multi-year mle deal to come here but that really isnt in his best interest. we dont even know how many years hes been offered. it makes sense for both boston and corey to sign a shoter deal. for boston it allows us to get out from under him at the same time rays deal comes up and then we can make a decision on what direction to go in from there. what if giddens is ready for big minutes then? just another thought.

Ainge has publicly commented on the hope that guys would want to come here in the hopes of raising their value going forward.

[buckner1976]

heres a scenario i havent seen considered. maybe maggette signs an mle deal for only a year or 2 years. i mean lets be honest, corey couldnt have fallen into a worse offseason to have his right renounced. i know he thinks hes worth more than 5.8 mil. so maybe he signs the shorter deal to improve his stock as a winning contributor and then after a year or 2 retests the market when more teams will have more money. everyone seems to be assuming corey would sign a multi-year mle deal to come here but that really isnt in his best interest. we dont even know how many years hes been offered. it makes sense for both boston and corey to sign a shoter deal. for boston it allows us to get out from under him at the same time rays deal comes up and then we can make a decision on what direction to go in from there. what if giddens is ready for big minutes then? just another thought.

Ainge has publicly commented on the hope that guys would want to come here in the hopes of raising their value going forward.

exactly. and then after 2010 when ray, corey and scals deals all come up we go after wade. hows this lineup sound as a core for 2010 and beyond?

c-perk(resigned)
pf-kg
sf-paul(resigned to smaller amount)
sg-wade
pg-rondo

bench-pruitt, giddens, walker,

what other team is gonna be able to offer that to wade in the east with a chance to go to the finals right after signing?

[GuyClinch]

^^^ bad. Not a huge fan of Wade. He is one of those max contract guy who will give you less then max contract value. I feel his game is to reliant upon athleticism - with a body to slight to maintain that long term. For a max contract I prefer a more durable larger player - like a Lebron type.

Pete

[buckner1976]

^^^ bad. Not a huge fan of Wade. He is one of those max contract guy who will give you less then max contract value. I feel his game is to reliant upon athleticism - with a body to slight to maintain that long term. For a max contract I prefer a more durable larger player - like a Lebron type.

Pete

well personal feelings aside you get the gist of what im getting at though? the ability to possibly come away with a high profile free agent in 2010. whether we like wade for this team is more or less irrelevant to the overall point im making. lebron i think is all but signed, sealed, and delivered to brooklyn.

[GuyClinch]

It's hard to maintain excellence like your suggesting. I think Danny might blow things up instead. He always talks about how he would have traded the big three. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Paul retire after his contract. He will be what 34 anyway? Maybe he resigns as the token vet on a young squad.

Either way it pains me to see former greats hanging on too long..

Pete

[John Locke]

I think the world of Maggette and actually would rather have him then Posey without question because I honestly think that if Posey gets a longer term deal that he could get fatcat syndrome. He has had a very up and down career to this point and really hasn't for the most part lived up to his talent level.

I mean you can't say with honesty that James Posey shouldn't have been able to lock up a starting SF gig during his career based on talent. He bounced around the league for a reason and it was because he was very inconsistent from year to year.

I also think we can get most of what we got from James Posey from Giddens even as a rookie. The defense, rebounding and three point shooting but minus the steady free throw shooting, I don't think that is enough to get me to want Posey for more then the 3.8 million with 20% raises that he is eligible for under the cap without touching the MLE.

That being said I think its quite possible that the absolute bestcase scenario for the Celtics might be to miss out on both Posey and Maggette. Instead bringing back Tony Allen at a low reasonable salalry and using the MLE to bring in Delonte West and maybe Robert Swift?

PG Rondo/West/Pruitt
SG Allen/Allen/West
SF Pierce/Giddens/Allen
PF Garnett/Powe
C Perkins/Swift/Davis

I don't like overpaying for James Posey, but I give credit where it's due. James Posey doesn't just give you numbers, he gives you a lot of stuff that doesn't show up on the stat sheet. I'd recomend you read what Dwayne Wade said about Posey in the Globe. He said that Posey will never get the media attention, but will always have the locker room respect.
And No, JR Giddens will not be able to give us what Posey gave us. Posey played lockdown defense on Kobe, Odom, Radmanovic, Turiaf...basicly the whole team. When Kobe was hot, Posey shut him down in game 6. He gives this team a lot of cojones, something that a rookie can't give you.

But, nevertheless, I don't want to overpay for Posey and lock him up for to many years. Maggette is a better basketball player, will he fit the team concept? What I think Boston is doing with all this is showing Posey that Corey is a guy they pay the MLE for, so Posey's value is less. They are trying to set the market value. I hope he signs for the maximum raises. At 4-5 million Posey gives you very good value.

And this team cannot get that much younger and rely on Swift or Delonte. We need veterans. Guys like PJ Brown, who go out and do the job.

[buckner1976]

It's hard to maintain excellence like your suggesting. I think Danny might blow things up instead. He always talks about how he would have traded the big three. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Paul retire after his contract. He will be what 34 anyway? Maybe he resigns as the token vet on a young squad.

Either way it pains me to see former greats hanging on too long..

Pete

true but the point is at least theyll have OPTIONS at their disposal.

[celticfan42487]

I fully agree with Jmaillot's post.

Don't overpay for one person beyond your means. If we don't sign Posey or Magette we could win it all again with other quality backups.

We didn't really have a good backup vet PG all last year or Center till PJ came. We didn't sign Posey or House till AUGUST. We didn't get PJ Brown to what was it Feburary? What we did do is use or options to their most effectivness. We got Posey for 3 mil because no one wanted to take a chance that he would bring it and we were the only real contender with a real role avialable for him.

So we have a lot of holes? Yeah so does everyone else, but we're not going to get the most by underutilizing our assets to fill them [as of now PG,wing,Backup Center are glaring. As are a defender for the PG/SG types.. think Areneas not LeBron].

[buckner1976]

I fully agree with Jmaillot's post.

Don't overpay for one person beyond your means. If we don't sign Posey or Magette we could win it all again with other quality backups.

We didn't really have a good backup vet PG all last year or Center till PJ came. We didn't sign Posey or House till AUGUST. We didn't get PJ Brown to what was it Feburary? What we did do is use or options to their most effectivness. We got Posey for 3 mil because no one wanted to take a chance that he would bring it and we were the only real contender with a real role avialable for him.

So we have a lot of holes? Yeah so does everyone else, but we're not going to get the most by underutilizing our assets to fill them [as of now PG,wing,Backup Center are glaring. As are a defender for the PG/SG types.. think Areneas not LeBron].

i agree as well and i actually think we dont get either posey nor maggette. i think that rookie camp was about preparing for the next best option past those 2. i think were going low-profile for our replacement. the likes of kirk snyder, eddie basden, david noel, darius miles. they'll all be considered and then giddens will be signed and asked to step into a role right away as well.

[Marley2Hendrix]

eh, I think Ainge's rumored interest in Bostjan Nachbar (& his productivity, height, and defense) make him the next option after posey/maggs.

22min, 40%fg, 36% 3pt, 79% ft, 3.5brds, 1.2 assists, 10pts, 6'9" 221lbs.

He can cover 2s in a pinch and would have no problem playing the 4 in a small ball lineup. I'm a huge Bostjan fan tho. (& would love to see a return of the AINGE4KKK posts if we sign Nachbar & Andersen this offseason!)

otherwise, I'm sure we'll throw our hats into the Pietrus fold, but I think he'd be just as tough to get a hold of as Pose/Maggs.

[Rocky5000]

Don't forget about TA also. We could still bring him back, and he may be able to step up this season and make us say "Posey who?" As for Nachbar, let's just say I'm not a fan. Dude is wildly inconsistent and like just about everyone else we're looking at, has had injury problems. He hasn't played 1 full season in his career.

[GuyClinch]

^^ TA isn't going to grow 4 inches. That's why the C's were grooming him for PG - not SF/PF!

Pete