Did Celtics Use LLE on Patrick O'Bryant??

Jammer · Post #1 » by **Jammer** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 1:45 pm

Steve Bulpett of the Boston Herald is reporting the deal at minimum,
but yesterday the Boston Globe's Marc Spears reported 2 years at $3 Million.

Two years, $3 Million can only mean the Celtics used the LLE on Patrick O'Bryant.

Besides the MLE at around $5.6 Million max to start (8% raises allowed for 5 years),

the Celtics can only offer minimum salary contracts from here on in.

They must think that the former 2006 #9 pick has something worth developing.

I still say bring in Mutombo for one year at the veteran minimum,

especially with Houston saying that they will only offer him a one year at the vet minimum.

I think the Celtics may have a shot.

Last year, during the regular season,

in 15 mpg, Mutombo gave them 3 ppg, 5.1 rpg and 1.2 bpg.

During the playoffs, in 20 mpg (Pushing it, I think, He's at least 42)

he gave then 3.8 ppg @ 61%, 6.5 rpg and 1.8 bpg.

Think Each Half of Perk 8 / Mutombo 6 / Davis 5 or O'Bryant / Perk 5

which would total Perk 26 / Mutombo 12 / Davis or O'Bryant 10

or something like that.

lojowo · Post #2 » by **lojowo** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 2:57 pm

I would love to get Mutombo to but last year I heard he wouldnt leave Houston because he has a business operating out of there. Maybe things have changed but with Houston win streak without Yao, he may stay because he may think Houston could be better next year wit Yao.

How healthy is Mourning?

Post #3 » by **ParticleMan** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:23 pm

Danny' happy with our big man rotation now and I am too. I don't think mutombo or mourning could give us more than powe. perk, powe, and POB (killer P's?) can hold down the spot. now if we have any significant injuries, then i'd get those guys on the phone. otherwise we're set... we just need to settle the SF spot (Posey hopefully) and then the backup PG spot.

ryaningf · Post #4 » by **ryaningf** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:42 pm

More than anything, the signing of POB says the C's expect alot of Baby at center next season. Baby and POB are actually nice complements of each other, but that would put POB at backup 4, not 5. And, oh yeah, I'd rather have Mourning or even Deek than POB. We're trying to win championships, and I don't know why you'd go into a season with an unproven bust like POB as your only true backup center option. I mean, even if you're pretty certain he's going to turn it around, it's still a huge risk to our team's chances of repeating.

underneathtoDJ · Post #5 » by **underneathtoDJ** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 5:34 pm

I don't mind the pickup, I think the C"s can take it as an excellent low risk, potentially high reward with POB and if it doesn't work out, they can go after PJ Brown for another stretch run. I can't see him turning down another chance at a title with teammates and coaches he's gone to battle with already.

Every year players are also bought out during the season and they could target one of them if they so desired. There will be some options if POB doesn't work out.

vct33 · Post #6 » by **vct33** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:37 pm

ryaningf wrote:We're trying to win championships, and I don't know why you'd go into a season with an unproven bust like POB as your only true backup center option. I mean, even if you're pretty certain he's going to turn it around, it's still a huge risk to our team's chances of repeating.

I don't think it's a risk at all. I'm much happier to have POB going into the season than when we had Pollard last season. Either way, there are always veterans that can be had in February to fill out the roster for a playoff run.

GreenGrizz · Post #7 » by **GreenGrizz** » Sat Jul 12, 2008 11:51 pm

We have nothing to lose with KG next to him Don't forget Clifford Ray. It is worth signing. You don't teach the height with long arms.

Post #8 » by **sunshinekids99** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 12:03 am

lojowo wrote:.

How healthy is Mourning?

Last I heard is that Mourning had something done to his knee recently. And won't be able to play until December or January. Sorry I don't have a link, I really don't remember what site I got it off of.

Jammer · Post #9 » by **Jammer** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:15 am

sunshinekids99 wrote:
lojowo wrote:.

How healthy is Mourning?

Last I heard is that Mourning had something done to his knee recently. And won't be able to play until December or January. Sorry I don't have a link, I really don't remember what site I got it off of.

Well, it wasn't too long ago that Mourning

tore his patellar tendon and medial collateral ligament.

Which would mean that at 4 months younger than PJ Brown,

his career may be done. He put in retirement papers,

and Pat Riley had begged Mourning to withdraw them

(presumably so Riley could Sign & Trade him like Keith Van Horn).

Mourning did have something else done recently, don't know exactly what.

If Mourning has any gas in the tank, I could see him as a better scorer than PJ.

Last year, in 15 mpg, Mourning gave 6 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1 bpg.

Don't know how much he has after the injury, but if not him,

can you picture trying to score on the Celtics in the last two minutes of a game with

Mourning or Mutombo alongside Garnett. No one will be able to drive the lane, or score in the post.

Jimmy103 · Post #10 » by **Jimmy103** » Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:03 pm

If Mourning could bounce back he'd be the most welcome addition to the championship run

I think it's becoming clear that Danny is conducting business as usual. He built this team by acquiring assets and that's what he has continued to do. At some point at least 2 of Giddens/Walker/Powe/Baby/POB should show some positive value, who knows maybe we can develop another player to Al's level. At that point Danny can pull the trigger on another move (most likely involving Ray's expiring).

Post #11 » by **sully00** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 1:12 am

As far as the original point. It is certainly early in FA for a player to sign for the minimum and for O'Bryant that would be about $800,000.

It is very likely that Ainge used MLE money to sign O'Bryant as he did last season with House. That will allow him to sign Walker to a 3 year deal and give Ainge enough money to add another Posey caliber signing at the end of FA or two Eddie House caliber signings.

Ownership has made it pretty clear they are not paying Posey or anyone the full MLE. I think they would have offered one year to Maggette.

Perhaps the thinking is they can now break the remaining MLE money into two more LLE valued contracts (1.9 mil) making it easier to negotiate with FA's.

Jammer · Post #12 » by **Jammer** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:18 am

sully00 wrote:As far as the original point. It is certainly early in FA for a player to sign for the minimum and for O'Bryant that would be about $800,000.

It is very likely that Ainge used MLE money to sign O'Bryant as he did last season with House. That will allow him to sign Walker to a 3 year deal and give Ainge enough money to add another Posey caliber signing at the end of FA or two Eddie House caliber signings.

Ownership has made it pretty clear they are not paying Posey or anyone the full MLE. I think they would have offered one year to Maggette.

Perhaps the thinking is they can now break the remaining MLE money into two more LLE valued contracts (1.9 mil) making it easier to negotiate with FA's.

Although the Boston papers reported an initial offer to Posey of 3 years for about $12 million, it has been reported several times in the Boston papers and ESPN.com that Posey now has an offer of 3 years at full MLE ($5.6 million per) FROM THE CELTICS and HORNETS.

It was also reported that Bartelstein was not planning on letting the Celtics match a 4th year should the Hornets add it and Posey decide to accept.

Moving on to Bill Walker, it was reported, early in July, again in one of the Boston papers, that in return for going to Europe for a year, allowing the Celtics to delay signing Walker until next summer, that they would only offer Walker a two year deal at that time. The plan was not to sign Walker this year. Of course, if Posey walks, lots change. But if they don't sign him this year (like Semih Erden playing in Europe, there would be no reason to ask for a third year since no contract would be signed until next summer for Walker and Erden).

I do agree that it's a bit early for O'Bryant to have accepted a minimum contract for a third year player.

Now on the other hand, Mutombo played for minimum LAST SEASON.
And the report is that is all he was offered by the Rockets this season.

David Falk (Sam Cassell's agent) is Mutombo's agent.
I can see Mutombo playing for a championship, and he's not quite the prima donna that Alonzo Mourning is (although if Mourning is able to recover from his torn patellar tendon, torn medial collateral ligament, and whatever he had done recently, he's better offensively, since he has a shot). But that's a big if at age 38.

Post #13 » by **sully00** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:22 am

Jammer wrote:
Although the Boston papers reported an initial offer to Posey of 3 years for about $12 million, it has been reported several times in the Boston papers and ESPN.com that Posey now has an offer of 3 years at full MLE ($5.6 million per) FROM THE CELTICS and HORNETS.

I saw Bulpett wrote that it was reported I haven't seen it anywhere else. Spears said on Thursday no team had come with a full MLE. He also said that O'Bryant signed for the minimium.

Moving on to Bill Walker, it was reported, early in July, again in one of the Boston papers, that in return for going to Europe for a year, allowing the Celtics to delay signing Walker until next summer, that they would only offer Walker a two year deal at that time. The plan was not to sign Walker this year. Of course, if Posey walks, lots change. But if they don't sign him this year (like Semih Erden playing in Europe, there would be no reason to ask for a third year since no contract would be signed until next summer for Walker and Erden).

Whatever the plan may be Walker had made it clear prior to the draft going overseas was not an option. Boston has no choice but to offer him a contract or waive him unless he wants to go overseas. Erden is a totally different situation as he cannot even get out of his contract in Europe this season. The 3 year deal benefits the team not the player, as they would be eligible for millions in a extension instead of $820,000 in year 3.

Mutombo turned us down last year when we were offering more money why would he come now for the same money?

Al-Haqq · Post #14 » by **Al-Haqq** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:28 am

Some of you guys need to give up on Mutombo. He wants to play for Houston. Period.

rambo_ortega · Post #15 » by **rambo_ortega** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:32 am

last time i checked, kendrick perkins was a project also coming into last season and that we can't win a ring with him at the starting C spot. but look at how kg and clifford influenced him. that is the case withPOB at this point. so i think it's nice to have him here.

and we got him at a very good price. minimum salary for a 3rd year top10 pick. i guess it has something to do with him wanting to prove something in this league and what better way than doing it on a championship team.

Jammer · Post #16 » by **Jammer** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:35 am

Sully:

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball ... ion_1.html

Seems like Mark Spears is now reporting (Monday, June 14) that the Celtics may have only offered the full mid-level for 2 years.

I know various columns have had it at 3, including ESPN. Maybe one writer was parroting another, and the initial one who said it got it wrong.

Anyway, Posey and House are supposed to be in town tonight. Maybe Posey will accept today.

Post #17 » by **sully00** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:54 am

I still think that this may all be a pile of crap. Nobody but Bartelstein is saying anything to anyone. The New Orleans paper is writing as if there hasn't even been a firm offer made. Nobody is going to let him shop anything. Now Ainge has danced with this guy enough that he knows his act though apparently many on this board haven't. This is Toine and Blount's agent, if I need an agent he is on my short list for sure, but he is also completely and entirely full of ****.