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OT: Camby to Clips for 2nd rnd'er

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Re: OT: Camby to Clips for 2nd rnd'er 

Post#21 » by Truthiracy » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:23 am

Another knucklehead move by a Los Angeles team, no surprise.
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Re: OT: Camby to Clips for 2nd rnd'er 

Post#22 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:16 pm

Denver went all in with the AI trade and went way over the luxury tax. It backfired and didn't work. They still are not good. Now they are cutting their losses. Thank goodness AI didn't come to Boston.
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Re: OT: Camby to Clips for 2nd rnd'er 

Post#23 » by bruno sundov » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:36 pm

So LA replaced Brands D and rebounding for close to half the moeny. Great deal for both teams. Now NENE has to come alive.
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Re: OT: Camby to Clips for 2nd rnd'er 

Post#24 » by chakdaddy » Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:07 pm

Basically it's exactly the same as the Gasol deal, with a couple of minor differences.

1. Denver had the decency to hand Camby to a lottery team, not to a near-contender; in the grand scheme of things Camby going to the Clippers for free doesn't really matter.

2. From Memphis' perspective, Kwame Brown's expiring contract was roughly equivalent to the Clippers not having to send anyone back - but from a bending over perspective, the Clippers had actual cap space to use, so they had no reason to pay anything for Camby since they could just try to sign someone else. But the Lakers wouldn't have cap space if Kwame just expired - Memphis could easily squeeze them for some value for the privilege of turning an expiring into a big contract star, without ever having cap space. But again, Memphis was really in the giving mood.

Still a stupid deal for Denver - they give up an asset without getting anything back, surely they could have flipped Camby elsewhere (Cleveland?) for expirings and good draft picks - you don't dump someone like Camby for salary cap room, you dump someone like Camby for cap room plus prospects/draft picks. But since it wasn't to a contender it's not as morally reprehensible as the Gasol deal, and since it was to a team with cap room, it's not quite the gift Gasol was either.
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Re: OT: Camby to Clips for 2nd rnd'er 

Post#25 » by greenbeans » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:23 pm

can Denver pair the exception with another player or is it only by itself you can trade it??
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Re: OT: Camby to Clips for 2nd rnd'er 

Post#26 » by Pogue Mahone » Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:44 pm

greenbeans wrote:can Denver pair the exception with another player or is it only by itself you can trade it??


The TPE is a way to cook the books, if you will. It is never traded. A new one is created whenever a trade is made and their is a difference in salaries greater than minimum-salary. The reason being, any player who is minimum-salaried can be acquired under the TPE by himself, but anything greater than minimum would require a TPE of greater than the minimum. TPE is essentially a place-holder on salary.

Think of it like this:

Boston trades a $5M player to Charlotte. Charlotte is under the cap and absorbs the entire amount. A TPE for $5M is created in Boston's favor. Charlotte would still have to provide Boston with value, though. Going back to the Keon Clark deal a few years ago, teams usually will swap 2nd RD'ers or something else of current negligible value.

A week later, Boston is able to acquire a $3.5M player and $711K player. Boston could do this one of two ways. 1. Boston acquires the $3.5M player from Chicago. Boston acquires minimum-salaried player via TPE. 2. Boston acquires $3.5M + $711K players by using the TPE.

In the first scenario, a TPE of $3.5M is generated for Chicago. Boston would have $1.5M remaining on it's own TPE. In the second instance, a TPE of $4.2M is generated for Chicago. Boston would have $800K remaining.

TPEs are never traded. They are created as a means to complete non-simultaneous trades.
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Count me in the Denver was a decent defensive team despite Marcus Camby camp. Good deal for each team, imo.
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Re: OT: Camby to Clips for 2nd rnd'er 

Post#27 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:40 pm

The great thing about this trade is that it prevents the Clippers from taking Zach Randolph off the Knicks' hands, thus making it more difficult for them to become players in the 2010 free agent class. :lol:
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Re: OT: Camby to Clips for 2nd rnd'er 

Post#28 » by Gomes3PC » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:47 pm

The Knicks being under the cap.....good one!
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Re: OT: Camby to Clips for 2nd rnd'er 

Post#29 » by celticfan42487 » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:04 pm

The dark side of the force clouds everything for the Knicks.

Imagine if they traded Randolph and a second for that capspace.

Then Denver calls and for 2, completely unconsquential years that is Camby's salary, they could of given DEN the OPTION to swap seconds in next years draft and goten Camby.

NY now:
Duhon/Nate
Crawful
someone probuly
Randolph
Curry

NY potentially if they dumped Zach:
Duhon/Nate
Crawful
someone probuly
Camby
Curry

as well as picking up a second rounder.
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