Why not bring Gomes back with the full MLE?

[Colossus]

is it crazy to bring him back with the full MLE for 2-3 years? Looks like he wants at least 2 years with the full MLE if he goes to Cleveland.. he'd be very valuable to this team backing up Pierce at the 3. And playing spot minutes at the backup 4 when necessary.

Then when Bill Walker is ready to take over in 2 years, we'll be set then. Even if we give Gomes a 3 year deal at the MLE we can put his expiring deal to good use if Walker/Giddens/Whoever takes his spot by then.

I for one would much rather see him here than in Cleveland, and if we offered the same money/years I'm sure he'd come back here instead, since he's a hometown boy and belongs back in Boston.

Perk/Baby/O'Bryant
KG/Powe/Veal
Pierce/Gomes/Walker
Ray/TA?/Giddens
Rondo/House?/Pruitt

Puts our roster at 15 if we can resign House and TA as well.. if TA and House leave I'm sure we could sign two other players with the vet minimum 1.2 and our 1.8 exception. I'd be very happy with that.. nice mix of youth to go with our vets, we'll be set for the foreseeable future.

[Spin Move]

Because he is a tweener who only plays average defense, is not that long and is not worth nearly the full midlevel....is that reason enough he doesnt have the speed to gaurd faster 3's and thats what we need most length and D, he provides neither, he has a good scoring touch and plays smart but not for more then half the midlevel.

[Rocky5000]

I'd bring him back. I'm not sure if he can get 2-3 years. Both House and Tony are looking for 2-3 year deals, and Danny has been reluctant to sign them for any more than 1 year.

[canman1971]

Gee, nobody has brought this up. Seriously, Gomes isn't worth the full MLE. Some here will disagree, but I wouldn't give him more than 3 million/year, and I still don't think he fits what this team needs.

[Colossus]

Because he is a tweener who only plays average defense, is not that long and is not worth nearly the full midlevel....is that reason enough he doesnt have the speed to gaurd faster 3's and thats what we need most length and D, he provides neither, he has a good scoring touch and plays smart but not for more then half the midlevel.

Half the midlevel?? you do realize that's what Veal makes right. no way he takes that from anywhere ($3 mil.)

In that case you must be on the Matt Barnes train, which I'm fine with as well. he'll probably command at least $3 mil a year though in a multiyear deal. He has the same speed as Gomes, without the rebounding and scoring touch. He is longer and plays better D, so that's a plus. I just feel more secure with Gomes instead, not sure why. Maybe it's because I've seen more of what he can do, vs a Matt Barnes. I think Gomes' "tweener" status is actually useful for a team like ours.

[Tricky Ricky]

Gee, nobody has brought this up. Seriously, Gomes isn't worth the full MLE. Some here will disagree, but I wouldn't give him more than 3 million/year, and I still don't think he fits what this team needs.

agreed

[EdSkae]

is it crazy to bring him back with the full MLE for 2-3 years? Looks like he wants at least 2 years with the full MLE if he goes to Cleveland.. he'd be very valuable to this team backing up Pierce at the 3. And playing spot minutes at the backup 4 when necessary.

Then when Bill Walker is ready to take over in 2 years, we'll be set then. Even if we give Gomes a 3 year deal at the MLE we can put his expiring deal to good use if Walker/Giddens/Whoever takes his spot by then.

I for one would much rather see him here than in Cleveland, and if we offered the same money/years I'm sure he'd come back here instead, since he's a hometown boy and belongs back in Boston.

Perk/Baby/O'Bryant
KG/Powe/Veal
Pierce/Gomes/Walker
Ray/TA?/Giddens
Rondo/House?/Pruitt

Puts our roster at 15 if we can resign House and TA as well.. if TA and House leave I'm sure we could sign two other players with the vet minimum 1.2 and our 1.8 exception. I'd be very happy with that.. nice mix of youth to go with our vets, we'll be set for the foreseeable future.

I would much rather have given Posey the full MLE for 4yrs and traded him as an expiring after 3 yrs.

[celticfan42487]

I'd rather take a shot with Walker or Giddens playing the wing. We certianly have enough undersized 4s on our roster.

Good for Gomes for adding that range to his game though. He should find his way on someone's roster.

[Celtics_85]

Well Minny is looking for a PG so maybe they would take Scal and Pruitt in a sign and trade. Then we could use some of our MLE to re-sign TA and House, and then use the vet min. on Cassell and the Birdman.

[ryaningf]

Simply put: we already have 2 other undersized power forwards, and it's not smart to blow our load of MLE on another one.

[BillessuR6]

He is not worth the full MLE. For teams over the cap that is basically 11+ mio per year, which is crazy...Something like Turiaf got is a nice contract for Gomes, IMO.

[sully00]

You have to understand the finances involved. It isn't whether a player is worth 5.6 mil it is whether he is worth 11.2 mil because that is what a full MLE player will cost Boston the next two seasons. Every penny kind of counts that is why Boston did not keep Tony at 2.75 mil but still want him back.

[dwestside]

Gee, nobody has brought this up. Seriously, Gomes isn't worth the full MLE. Some here will disagree, but I wouldn't give him more than 3 million/year, and I still don't think he fits what this team needs.

It's being brought up again because of the rumored offer with Cleveland. It gives us a little perspective on what it would COST us to acquire Gomes and if it's worth it. Seems fine to me ...

I for one, would love to see Gomes back, but NOT for the full MLE. I agree with you there.

[spf211]

Thoughts on Gomes...

In terms of Posey "replacements" (newsflash, you're not replacing Posey) here's what we're hearing:

Trevor Ariza
Maurice Evans
Matt Barnes
Devean George

When you look at this list, Ryan Gomes is a better player than anyone listed here. Of that I have no doubt.

None of these players are so incredible on the defensive end (though all are thought to be defensive players) that it outweighs what Gomes can bring in terms of scoring and rebounding. I don't think we can trot out the excuse that Gomes wouldn't be the defensive player Posey was -- no one we are signing is.

Even players that might go far to reach Posey's level of intensity and defensive ability (Evans, George) we're talking about players who literally bring nothing else to the table but hustle -- and the reason why James Posey is an effective roleplayer with two rings instead of an NBA 12th man is his outside shot. Posey had to be respected on the offensive end because of his 3pt accuracy -- you won't get that with George or Evans.

So we're losing out either way. In my opinion, if we're going to have to adjust how this team operates because we decided to let Posey walk, at least bring in a character guy who you know is the best all-around player you're looking at.

But we're kidding ourselves if we're going to compare any free agent we bring in through the prism of what Posey offered this team. He had a unique skill-set and intensity that Pat Riley would not have let go if the Heat were still competing for a championship and one that the Hornets overpaid for in the hopes of winning a championship. No one you bring in at this point will offer what Posey did so we had better start judging these players on their own merits.

[PTI]

Gomes Linked To Cleveland

Timberwolves' forward Ryan Gomes has been linked to the Cavs.

A source said he might want at least a two-year deal of the full mid-level.

Via Morning Journal

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... cleveland/

[sully00]

One think about Posey and the defense going forward. I just don't think you can understate the impact that KG and Perk had on the effectiveness of this team's perimeter defenders. Rondo is a really good individual defender and Pierce may have been a little underrated but then you look at Ray Allen and Eddie House and you have to ask yourself at some point it is a trend. Posey is a good defender but he was a guy who was losing a step the year before in Miami. Trenton Hassell was an all world defender next to KG as well (at least until he got paid).

KG and Perk to a lesser extent are going to make whoever is playing with them better defenders. At the moment this team has got to add some consistent bench scoring. While Leon is explosive I think he may still be a situation guy offensively until he adds consistent jump shot. Either way I don't think we want to go into the season with the bench we have being expected to replace House/Cassell, TA, and Posey's scoring.

[Colossus]

Thoughts on Gomes...

In terms of Posey "replacements" (newsflash, you're not replacing Posey) here's what we're hearing:

Trevor Ariza
Maurice Evans
Matt Barnes
Devean George

When you look at this list, Ryan Gomes is a better player than anyone listed here. Of that I have no doubt.

None of these players are so incredible on the defensive end (though all are thought to be defensive players) that it outweighs what Gomes can bring in terms of scoring and rebounding. I don't think we can trot out the excuse that Gomes wouldn't be the defensive player Posey was -- no one we are signing is.

Even players that might go far to reach Posey's level of intensity and defensive ability (Evans, George) we're talking about players who literally bring nothing else to the table but hustle -- and the reason why James Posey is an effective roleplayer with two rings instead of an NBA 12th man is his outside shot. Posey had to be respected on the offensive end because of his 3pt accuracy -- you won't get that with George or Evans.

So we're losing out either way. In my opinion, if we're going to have to adjust how this team operates because we decided to let Posey walk, at least bring in a character guy who you know is the best all-around player you're looking at.

But we're kidding ourselves if we're going to compare any free agent we bring in through the prism of what Posey offered this team. He had a unique skill-set and intensity that Pat Riley would not have let go if the Heat were still competing for a championship and one that the Hornets overpaid for in the hopes of winning a championship. No one you bring in at this point will offer what Posey did so we had better start judging these players on their own merits.

Thank you spf.. you said exactly what I was thinking in my head, except you succinctly typed it out.

[Bad-Thoma]

Gee, nobody has brought this up. Seriously, Gomes isn't worth the full MLE. Some here will disagree, but I wouldn't give him more than 3 million/year, and I still don't think he fits what this team needs.

+1 Liked Gomes when he was here, wouldn't mind seeing him back, but the full MLE is way too much.

[Celtic Esquire]

Gomes Linked To Cleveland

Timberwolves' forward Ryan Gomes has been linked to the Cavs.

A source said he might want at least a two-year deal of the full mid-level.

Via Morning Journal

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wireta ... cleveland/

He wants the FULL mid-level?

Wait a second....

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

I love Gomes, but if his agent suckers some stupid GM then I every NBA player should hire his agent.