Celts Interested In McDyess!

[LongTimeFan]

Sully:

Then you aren't getting my point. Probably didn't make it due to time.

There is two ways and it depends on the team we are facing. KG is a dominant player whose game is finesse and defense. Our opponents must organise their game plan substantially on KG, especially their defense.

Powe's game is entirely different, low post and power. So when Powe comes in at PF, their entire game plan is wrong. Powe basicaly has a cake walk, because they are organised to defend KG.

The second way is when they can play together, Powe at PF and KG at center. This would the lessor form, but last year it did work against various teams.

My point is that Powe's numbers are so good, because the other team as a rule is trying to defend him like they defend KG. And it doesn't work. This is how he complements KG, laterally in time.

In addition, his physical power wears on our opponents. He is strong, tough and tenacious.

[sully00]

I am not trying to discount Leon I am just looking at this in reality. KG and Leon do not play together it is not good for KG or particularly effective. Leon is doing a great job offensively backing up KG, but neither he or Baby are doing a particularly good job on the glass to this point. Not a huge concern Leon can rebound but there is certainly a role for Dice on this team.

[billfromBoston]

Two things I just can't agree with is the idea that Leon compliments KG and that Powe is a better player right now than McDyess. This when the green goggles get you hit by a truck.

We have played 5 games this season how many mins do you think Leon and KG have played together, 5? 8? Maybe I am misunderstanding what you mean by complimenting but they don't play together.

Now for the idea that Leon is better than McDyess at this point. Leon is young and strong and really explosive and very productive for the mins he plays. But in there is the rub because of his size and game he has to be productive to even be on the court. McDyess is a one time All Star who is still extremely productive and dynamic. He can play the big 3 as well as the 5, he has a total package as an offensive game for a PF and is as good a rebounder as you will find at his size. He started 78 games for the second best team in the conference and avg 8.5 boards a game banging with centers.

Next year the year after maybe his game fades and Leon is better but right now no way. Look what James Posey meant to this team and he isn't half of the player that Dice is. But that isn't really the point what Dice would do is knock Baby out of the rotation for the most part and leave him battling with Powe for mins and ensuring that we never see Scal again and POB is only needed for size. While Leon's role may diminish slightly he still will be the primary back up to KG. I also think this will improve what we get out of Leon and Baby which through 5 games hasn't been much on the glass especially the offensive end and that is somewhat a problem since they are playing together.

More importantly if we lose one of the starters we have someone who can be productive and effective in starter mins and possibly allow us to still compete for a title.

I couldn't disagree and agree with you more in the same post.

Doc is still experimenting with lineups, but the first 3 games of the season it was Perk was the one that Doc subbed Leon in for and he and KG were getting minutes together until Davis subbed in. Over the last couple games its KG who has come out and now Powe and Perk are getting minutes until Davis subs in.

The sub patterns have been mixed, Powe playing with everyone, as is Davis. This rotation has favored KG with Davis since the Indy game, so i'm watching to see if its situational or permanent - but based off Docs comments this pre-season about how he liked to have KG with Powe, and based off the "inside/out" philosophy Doc has adopted, I'd expect more of KG/Powe - even if it isn't the big man rotation that gets the most minutes.

As far as Dice goes, I think you're right on and most everyone else is missing it. Ainge will cut a player if he must, but he's likely looking for a quick deal - I'd imagine its certainly not Powe considering he's our only productive low post player and plays a completely different game than Dice.

Its likely that Dice would get all of Perk's backup minutes and be in a 4 big rotation with KG/Perk/Powe...which is one of the reasons that Davis has been rumored to be linked to the Warriors - cursory as it has been.

[sully00]

BFB

I don't profess to know anything more than what is in front of me. KG and Powe do not play together and they didn't do it last year. The literally sub for each other almost all of the time. There have been two games with an overlap all season against CLE 2 stints for about 7 mins total and against IND for 2 stints about 8 mins total. The other 3 games 0.

[Havlicek17]

If McDyess gets bought out, I would love to have him on this team. We could use another quality big man with experience, and moving Sam to coach is a win win scenario in my book.

Lately it seems both Powe and Ray are getting traded regularly on this board for 2nd round picks and marginal starters on worse teams, just ridiculous stuff. What the #%^& are you guys smokin?

DO NOT, let me repeat, DO NOT OPERATE ANY HEAVY MACHINERY!!!

[billfromBoston]

BFB

I don't profess to know anything more than what is in front of me. KG and Powe do not play together and they didn't do it last year. The literally sub for each other almost all of the time. There have been two games with an overlap all season against CLE 2 stints for about 7 mins total and against IND for 2 stints about 8 mins total. The other 3 games 0.

Excactly - what you're not getting, i guess, is that the rotations don't "litterally" never overlap - their are multiple combinations of bigs, which Doc uses according to situation. KG/Powe is one of them and is one he's commented on already this season.

The 15 minute overlap you've discussed measures out to about 230 minutes over the course of the season, which would be close to 3 minutes per game on average, but in reality would translate more to the 6-8 minute overlaps in a limited number of games based on situation.

It's not a black-and-white substitution pattern with "anomalies" it is a useful combo for certain matchups - those being the teams that play two PF's in the frontcourt, instead of true centers - Powe's inside game compliments KG's outside game and defensively KG covers the help rotations and can match up against comprably sized players.

The brutes see Perk and Davis with KG, but there will be games when Powe/KG overlap - We'll see who plays tonight in Milwaukee - If Mil goes with Gadzuric at the 5 off the bench, I can see KG/Powe playing...

Regardless, it DID happen last year, it WAS discussed favorably this year, and it HAS been utilized already...is it THE main rotation combination? No, but it is A combination - this isn't arguable. Wheter you think its effective is irrelevant, it will be used 200-300 minutes this season and it won't be by "accident." -- I'd say 30-35 games we'll see this combo in limited minutes...

[Al-Haqq]

He would be a great addition for us! Depth at the Forward position is big come playoff time!

[captain_cheapseats]

:lol: @ McDyess saying he doesn't want to be a ring-chaser....what's he been doing in Detroit the last 5 years then??

I don't think you comprehend what he means by "ring chaser." When McDyess says that he doesn't want to be a "ring chaser" he's not saying that he doesn't want to be on a great team; that'd be (Please Use More Appropriate Word), obviously. He means that he doesn't want to be one of those vets who signs on with a team where they know they'll only play 10 mins or so a night, just to try and get a title. In other words, McDyess wants to go someplace he can start, or at least get 25 mins or so off the bench.

He wasn't starting in Detroit this season (Amir was). He wasn't getting 25 minutes off the bench neither.

True, but some would say that the 78 games he played last year -- starting and getting just under 30 mpg -- are a lot more indicative of the role he would have played than the 2 games he played this year while the team was in the process of trading him. But to each their own.

[captain_cheapseats]

Now for the idea that Leon is better than McDyess at this point. Leon is young and strong and really explosive and very productive for the mins he plays. But in there is the rub because of his size and game he has to be productive to even be on the court. McDyess is a one time All Star who is still extremely productive and dynamic. He can play the big 3 as well as the 5, he has a total package as an offensive game for a PF and is as good a rebounder as you will find at his size. He started 78 games for the second best team in the conference and avg 8.5 boards a game banging with centers.

Ehhh, looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. The argument for Leon is that he is clearly the better offensive player of the two, and an equally good rebounder. While I agree that Powe is not as good of a defender as McDyess, I think his superiority on offense is greater than the edge McDyess enjoys on defense, making him the better overall player. I also like that Powe seems to draw a lot of fouls, which is huge against teams with poor front-court depth (which is the majority of teams in the NBA). And you're right, McDyess did manage to start 78 games for the 2nd best team in the East and grab 8.5 boards last year, but if he had KG starting in front of him like Powe did, neither of those things would have happened.