Patrick O'Bryant must be pretty bad

[Hemingway]

Doc is not the best coach at judging if a new guy should be in his rotation. He let Ryan Gomes rot on the bench his rookie year, Leon Powe could not crack the rotation for the first few months last year, ect...

But you could say that Gomes and Powe played so well when they got playing time because they were ready for it and credit that to Doc. Its all how you look at things. I'm ok with not playing POB or the rookies for a while. I'll trust what Doc sees in practice.

[Dave_From_NB]

What game was it for Big Baby that made you say, "Put POB in there!"?

How about the Denver game? Davis had 0 points, 0 rebounds, was -16 in 15 minutes of play. Our bench outrebounded 15-6.

Or maybe the game before that against Atlanta. Davis had 2 points, 2 rebounds, was -12 in 13 minutes of play. Our bench outrebounded 14-6.

He's our backup Center, and has blocked a total of 1 shot this season.

I don't have a hate on for Davis, but I don't think he's a Center. He doesn't block shots. He barely rebounds. He has little vertical leap to overcome his lack of height. His sole attribute at Center is mass, but all he can do with that is block someone out and hope someone else gets the rebound, because he's unlikely to.

Doc and the coaches see POB at practice, and maybe he's not the answer as backup Center. But I also think that Davis as backup Center isn't good enough. Something has to give.

[Tenbomber]

THe reason why Gomes and Powe and other young guys suddenly produce when they get PT is that they're *ready* to produce. Doc isn't going to give them minutes just to win a game, at the risk of making them complacent. It's the opposite of the ML Carr theory with Antoine, and look what happened there, a guy with unlimited talent never achieved his potential.

Thats an interesting theory.....You think Doc really does this?

I mean it's almost like his practices are a sort of Celtic developmental league....once you suddenly "get it" ...then you graduate, and only then do you actually play meaningfull minutes?

Sounds entirely reasonable to me....yet we all like to see the progress for ourselves once in awhile...

Just so we have something to talk about...

[St.Nick]

What game was it for Big Baby that made you say, "Put POB in there!"?

How about the Denver game? Davis had 0 points, 0 rebounds, was -16 in 15 minutes of play. Our bench outrebounded 15-6.

Or maybe the game before that against Atlanta. Davis had 2 points, 2 rebounds, was -12 in 13 minutes of play. Our bench outrebounded 14-6.

He's our backup Center, and has blocked a total of 1 shot this season.

I don't have a hate on for Davis, but I don't think he's a Center. He doesn't block shots. He barely rebounds. He has little vertical leap to overcome his lack of height. His sole attribute at Center is mass, but all he can do with that is block someone out and hope someone else gets the rebound, because he's unlikely to.

Doc and the coaches see POB at practice, and maybe he's not the answer as backup Center. But I also think that Davis as backup Center isn't good enough. Something has to give.

Thanks Dave, but Its a question directly for Mr. "4 post" Jelly Bean to answer.

The reason I want him to answer is because I'm pretty sure that he is somebody from the GS board that created this handle just to covertly add his opinion in this thread. Mr. Jelly Bean writes exactly like POB's biggest and most insane supporter on our board. Plus, had any of you heard of Jelly Bean before this thread? He showed up, defended his guy, and now doesn't make any more posts. Kind of weird, no?

Yeah, I know this probably makes me sound paranoid, but if you've read our crazy 30 page thread on POB you'd know that anything is possible. It'd be funny to catch this guy in the act (or make me look like a crazy fool)

[sully00]

That is pretty funny stuff going on the Warrior board it is somewhat like their front office.

Great point on Doc, Particleman. He did it the other night with Leon who has been kind of half assed lately and went with Scal instead and lit a fire under Powe's ass.

In defense of Big Baby, the two games you are citing the opponent barely had a starting center never mind a back up center, so at that point Baby is caught in small ball, which isn't all bad except when both him and Leon are on the court together trying to play small ball, not so good. Leon was just as ineffective against DEN, -16 in less mins 9.9. Against ATL Baby just got caught on the floor during the Flip Murray show it wasn't Zaza killing him and he played well in his second stint.

In these situations we missed Posey a hell of a lot more than we needed to go bigger with POB.

[s1ickd]

stop knocking Doc because POB isn't cracking the rotation. Im sure if he was that skilled of a player, he'd get minutes ahead of Scal.

There is absolutely nothing that warrants POB minutes over Leon or Big Baby.

[ParticleMan]

THe reason why Gomes and Powe and other young guys suddenly produce when they get PT is that they're *ready* to produce. Doc isn't going to give them minutes just to win a game, at the risk of making them complacent. It's the opposite of the ML Carr theory with Antoine, and look what happened there, a guy with unlimited talent never achieved his potential.

Thats an interesting theory.....You think Doc really does this?

I mean it's almost like his practices are a sort of Celtic developmental league....once you suddenly "get it" ...then you graduate, and only then do you actually play meaningfull minutes?

Sounds entirely reasonable to me....yet we all like to see the progress for ourselves once in awhile...

Just so we have something to talk about...

Absolutely Doc does this. In so many words he's said so. Young guys have to "get it" before they get PT. sully made a great point about Powe; Doc even does it when someone is part of the rotation but starts coasting a bit.

I'm sure we'd like to see how guys are doing but Doc's job isn't to satisfy the fans. The fact that our youth development program has been such an amazing success is in part due to Ainge bringing in the talent, but also due to Doc+co. developing that talent to its maximum potential. Other than Gerald and Marcus Banks, I can't see any of our picks who even today (for other teams) aren't at pretty much their maximum potential. Delonte, Gomes, Big Al, Powe, Tony (accounting for injuries)... all these guys are about as good as they can be at this stage. It remains to be seen whether POB will be in the Gerald/Marcus category or the achievers category. But if it's the former we don't want to waste time on him anyway.

[MyInsatiableOne]

^^^That's how you know he must be bad...SCAL is beating him out for PT...yikes!!

[Tenbomber]

You know...... Scal could just be a great practice player?

Getting beat by him would be humbling enough for anyone to want to work harder....maybe Scal is Doc's bench mark for bigs?....beat him consistantly and you play?

You know, as far as NBA subs go, Scal holds his own on most teams IMO...I've never seen a reason to hate on the guy...JMO

[sully00]

Scal does everything Doc asks him to. His game is limited and while he can be classified as versatile it is in a sucks at everything way. That said he is a essentially a coaching dummy on the floor, and when Doc plays him over you it is probably time to pay attention to what he is doing, Doc is saying, and what the hell is happening when you are out there.

[JR Hawks]

Did we use part of the mid-level exception to sign O'Bryant?

If so, the POB signing could end up costing us a chance at McDyess as well.

[Rocky5000]

POB is the LLE i think.

[JellyBean]

What game was it for Big Baby that made you say, "Put POB in there!"?

How about the Denver game? Davis had 0 points, 0 rebounds, was -16 in 15 minutes of play. Our bench outrebounded 15-6.

Or maybe the game before that against Atlanta. Davis had 2 points, 2 rebounds, was -12 in 13 minutes of play. Our bench outrebounded 14-6.

He's our backup Center, and has blocked a total of 1 shot this season.

I don't have a hate on for Davis, but I don't think he's a Center. He doesn't block shots. He barely rebounds. He has little vertical leap to overcome his lack of height. His sole attribute at Center is mass, but all he can do with that is block someone out and hope someone else gets the rebound, because he's unlikely to.

Doc and the coaches see POB at practice, and maybe he's not the answer as backup Center. But I also think that Davis as backup Center isn't good enough. Something has to give.

Thanks Dave, but Its a question directly for Mr. "4 post" Jelly Bean to answer.

The reason I want him to answer is because I'm pretty sure that he is somebody from the GS board that created this handle just to covertly add his opinion in this thread. Mr. Jelly Bean writes exactly like POB's biggest and most insane supporter on our board. Plus, had any of you heard of Jelly Bean before this thread? He showed up, defended his guy, and now doesn't make any more posts. Kind of weird, no?

Yeah, I know this probably makes me sound paranoid, but if you've read our crazy 30 page thread on POB you'd know that anything is possible. It'd be funny to catch this guy in the act (or make me look like a crazy fool)

Mr. 5 post now! Lol. I've posting here since 2006 with different user names. Just to make you feel better, I'm a die hard Celtics fan since the 80's and its just normal for a true fan to be pissed when he sees his favorite team not doing great (9-2 is not great you say?....the way we are playing, we could lose the next 7 games).

Anyways, I didn't say say Davis was worst than POB. All I'm saying is that why wouldn't Doc play POB when Davis couldn't do anything out there against Denver and Atlanta. Let's say POB really suck in practice, but how would Doc know if he would suck in a real game? Davis in the last two games sucked big time...in a real game....and yet he gets minutes. I thought Doc doesn't like guys that can't play?

[St.Nick]

Ok. I'm still not really convinced. Now is your chance to make me look really dumb and extremely crazy.

What are your two most recent user names?

[JellyBean]

Ok. I'm still not really convinced. Now is your chance to make me look really dumb and extremely crazy.

What are your two most recent user names?

Man must we go through this? Aight, shamrock and Gmoney$. Now can you quit harrassing me? lol, j/k.
Anyways, I hardly post, but i feel so uncomfortable right now with the way the Celtics play lately. I just don't want our team to fall off the standing just after a year of winning it all. I'm sure you feel the same.

[St.Nick]

Ok. My bad. Sorry bout the harassment

[sully00]

Jellybean

St. Nick is a Warrior fan and thinks you are a poster from the Warriors board undercover.

POB is making the minimum, no exception used to sign him.

[Tricky Ricky]

I was watching him during warmups on friday and he missed two layups, plus Ill never forget that blown rebound against the Bulls. Hes done