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What about Joe Smith?

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Re: What about Joe Smith? 

Post#21 » by cfan79 » Wed Dec 3, 2008 8:14 pm

humblebum wrote:cfan and insatiable... and inevitably pete will chime in i'm sure.

Davis has been the first player off the bench quite a bit lately. The reason being, he's a solid defender, a smart player, and a physical presence. He's earning minutes but he's just not putting up the numbers yet.

I think people are going to be surprised if the Celtics bring in a long PF or a C. Davis is still going to win minutes over Powe because he's more consistent/capable on the defensive end and he has a developing offensive game.


Don't get me wrong I like Baby, but he just has too little lift to be the 1st big off the bench. Powe meanwhile is too little to play center, but is able to draw contact and finish strong. The only thing Baby can dunk consistently is donuts and oreos.

Put PJ or Joe Smith with Powe and you have more height and shooting consistency inside and out.
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Re: What about Joe Smith? 

Post#22 » by bruno sundov » Thu Dec 4, 2008 2:51 pm

God have mercy on the celts if we have to depend on O'B when the plays of come. He is a stiff. WOW does he look lost out there.
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Post#23 » by rambo_ortega » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:04 pm

he's perfect for us. he gave kg a hard time when we played cleveland in the playoffs season.
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Re: What about Joe Smith? 

Post#24 » by MyInsatiableOne » Thu Dec 4, 2008 3:22 pm

bruno sundov wrote:God have mercy on the celts if we have to depend on O'B when the plays of come. He is a stiff. WOW does he look lost out there.


Yep...he looks very gangly and awkward, almost uncoordinated...it's almost shocking to see...

Although the dunk he had on the sweet pass from Ray last night was cool!
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Post#25 » by bruno sundov » Thu Dec 4, 2008 4:18 pm

YEAH he is 7' and can dunk the ball. LOL. He should be hitting the gym. Dude looks like he is afraid of weights and food. Scary sight out there on the court.
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Re: What about Joe Smith? 

Post#26 » by Dave_From_NB » Thu Dec 4, 2008 4:21 pm

I think Doc as a coach rewards players for doing what they are supposed to be doing, and less so on results that are not in the plan.

I think as fans, we get frustrated when we see players who seem to fit a mold better or generate results (stats) suffer from playing time, particularly when players who don't fit the mold or fill the stat sheet are getting those minutes.

Unfortunately as fans, we are not aware of what the coaching staff has instructed the team, or an individual to do.

I'm not a big Davis fan, because the limitations in his physical stature and the role he is playing is not one I think we'd choose if we have the right players, like a Joe Smith, for those roles.

But when I see Davis out there getting minutes, taking those open jump shots, and I see Powe's minutes decrease, I'm led to believe that it is because Davis is doing what the coaches are asking him to do, and Powe less so.

BTW, if Rondo can be criticized for not taking open jumpers, is it appropriate to criticize Davis for taking them?

Also BTW, I'd love to see Joe Smith in the rotation.
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Re: What about Joe Smith? 

Post#27 » by MyInsatiableOne » Thu Dec 4, 2008 4:32 pm

Dave_From_NB wrote:I think Doc as a coach rewards players for doing what they are supposed to be doing, and less so on results that are not in the plan.

I think as fans, we get frustrated when we see players who seem to fit a mold better or generate results (stats) suffer from playing time, particularly when players who don't fit the mold or fill the stat sheet are getting those minutes.

Unfortunately as fans, we are not aware of what the coaching staff has instructed the team, or an individual to do.

I'm not a big Davis fan, because the limitations in his physical stature and the role he is playing is not one I think we'd choose if we have the right players, like a Joe Smith, for those roles.

But when I see Davis out there getting minutes, taking those open jump shots, and I see Powe's minutes decrease, I'm led to believe that it is because Davis is doing what the coaches are asking him to do, and Powe less so.


BTW, if Rondo can be criticized for not taking open jumpers, is it appropriate to criticize Davis for taking them?

Also BTW, I'd love to see Joe Smith in the rotation.


You have articulated how I feel about Davis...however, I'd still rather see more Powe and less Davis...Powe will only get better with more PT and experience...physically he is only limited by his height, and we've seen that by developing better skills a lot of players can overcome this. Otherwise, if he improves his D and his low-post moves, he will be very good. Davis is what he is, I'm afraid...
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Re: What about Joe Smith? 

Post#28 » by bruno sundov » Thu Dec 4, 2008 5:38 pm

You guys just think of BBD as Danny Fortson just very round.LOL
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Post#29 » by MyInsatiableOne » Thu Dec 4, 2008 6:29 pm

bruno sundov wrote:You guys just think of BBD as Danny Fortson just very round.LOL


Well he's Fortson minus the conditioning and big rebounding numbers, sure!
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Post#30 » by GuyClinch » Thu Dec 4, 2008 6:46 pm

Davis is the most likely upgrade. I think he does have value in that he can throw his weight around and allow us to bang around some of the softer teams (think Lakers). He can frustrate some bigs temporarily with his ability to hold them out of postion (though eventually I think teams will adapt). But of course Joe Smith would be an upgrade.

BBD is a poor finisher - who manages to get himself in pretty good position alot. So its pretty rough watching him out there at times. His lack of shot blocking allows mediocre guards to slash on us at will in the second unit. Plus he has a "Tommy Boy" habit of rolling around when people make any contact with him. He isn't really a Fortson type as Danny was a rebounding MONSTER who played with mean streak.

Like I said before the C's need a better backup center and a bigger SF to match up against Lebron - if only to give poor PP and TA a break. If BBD was moved to "gimmick" center/PF role - rather then main backup center we would be much improved.
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Post#31 » by humblebum » Fri Dec 5, 2008 1:29 am

Agreed Pete, but I think a better term than "gimmick" is "situational." Which is also the best usage for Powe and House. Situational subs who are given larger roles on this team due to a lack of more complete players on the bench. Tony Allen is the closest thing to a rotational level sub on the team. All the other players have major holes in their games.
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Re: What about Joe Smith? 

Post#32 » by bruno sundov » Fri Dec 5, 2008 7:45 pm

MyInsatiableOne wrote:
bruno sundov wrote:You guys just think of BBD as Danny Fortson just very round.LOL


Well he's Fortson minus the conditioning and big rebounding numbers, sure!


LOL. That is true but he could have the same game as Fortson if he wanted it. Cutback on the 3rd helpings everynight. You know stuff like that might help.
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Post#33 » by cfan79 » Fri Dec 5, 2008 8:06 pm

Hopefully Baby doesn't decide to grow a fugly hairdo like Fortson. It seemed to be getting worse and worse as Danny Fortson got older.
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Re: What about Joe Smith? 

Post#34 » by bruno sundov » Fri Dec 5, 2008 8:59 pm

If he rips12 boards a game he can have any haircut he wants.

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