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Re: I blame Doc/Rondo for this loss. 

Post#21 » by Bad-Thoma » Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:25 am

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Bad-Thoma wrote:It's a team game man, and no team has ever won them all. Doc stuck to his regular rotation, this was a regular season game, let Phil play it like it's the finals again and leave Kobe in for 24 straight minutes. The C's could have played better all around, but ****, it's just one game no matter what the fan fare. They'll be ready to start winning again tomorrow night on the back end of a back-2-back and no one will need oxygen.


Doc's regular rotation is trash (and was last year as well). There is no reason we can't have 2 of the Big 3 on the court at all times. Hell, former coaches (Van Gundy) announcing our games have said just as much.

These line-ups of House, T. Allen, Pierce/R. Allen, Powe and Baby are a joke.


Plenty of teams play an 8 or 9 man rotation, which means at least 1 starter is always on the floor. As for Doc's rotations, well how can you bitch when we're 27-3?
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Re: I blame Doc/Rondo for this loss. 

Post#22 » by celticfan42487 » Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:53 am

Ray Allen is 33. He has Pierce and KG on his team.

When you have that much talent you shouldn't have to wear down your starters regardless if you think tomorrow is an easy game. Tomorrow could be close to this is the NBA [hi IND and DEN right after a trade].

Doc did coach up to the competition by leaving Rondo in the game.

We haven't defended for 48 minutes in the past 5 games. And the last 3 we won based on our offense and not defense.

We could use a loss here and there to have us get back to fundamentals. Because luckily aside from not enough on the bench that's all we need. We need a circle the bandwagon objective to refocus on playing defense like we did earlier in the year and focus on turning the ball over less. Hopefully we find Mutombo for new years as well.
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Re: I blame Doc/Rondo for this loss. 

Post#23 » by JR Hawks » Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:29 am

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Bad-Thoma wrote:It's a team game man, and no team has ever won them all. Doc stuck to his regular rotation, this was a regular season game, let Phil play it like it's the finals again and leave Kobe in for 24 straight minutes. The C's could have played better all around, but ****, it's just one game no matter what the fan fare. They'll be ready to start winning again tomorrow night on the back end of a back-2-back and no one will need oxygen.


Doc's regular rotation is trash (and was last year as well). There is no reason we can't have 2 of the Big 3 on the court at all times. Hell, former coaches (Van Gundy) announcing our games have said just as much.

These line-ups of House, T. Allen, Pierce/R. Allen, Powe and Baby are a joke.


There's a reason VG ain't coaching. 8-)

Who gives a flying **** what VG says about a coach who just won 19 in a row???? Now you bitch about his rotations.....stop the insanity. :lol: 8-)


You think Doc is the only coach that could win 19 in a row with RA, PP and KG? Didn't think so.

As for Doc's rotations, I've long had a problem with them. See tonight's game and some of last year's playoff games to see why.
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Re: I blame Doc/Rondo for this loss. 

Post#24 » by JR Hawks » Fri Dec 26, 2008 5:41 am

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JR Hawks wrote:
Bad-Thoma wrote:It's a team game man, and no team has ever won them all. Doc stuck to his regular rotation, this was a regular season game, let Phil play it like it's the finals again and leave Kobe in for 24 straight minutes. The C's could have played better all around, but ****, it's just one game no matter what the fan fare. They'll be ready to start winning again tomorrow night on the back end of a back-2-back and no one will need oxygen.


Doc's regular rotation is trash (and was last year as well). There is no reason we can't have 2 of the Big 3 on the court at all times. Hell, former coaches (Van Gundy) announcing our games have said just as much.

These line-ups of House, T. Allen, Pierce/R. Allen, Powe and Baby are a joke.


Plenty of teams play an 8 or 9 man rotation, which means at least 1 starter is always on the floor. As for Doc's rotations, well how can you bitch when we're 27-3?


I can bitch when I see our bench play like it did tonight. And a 27-3 record is not reason enough to pretend there isn't a problem.

We don't need "at least 1 starter" on the floor. We need at least 2 of RA, PP and KG.
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Re: I blame Doc/Rondo for this loss. 

Post#25 » by Al-Haqq » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:29 am

Spud34 wrote:How in the World did Pierce not get a chance to takeover in 4th? Why is he always standing around on offense? Rondo did a terrible job of getting Pierce the ball in the 4th.

And why the hell did Doc take out Pierce while he was hot? There was like 3min left in the 3rd, and you decide to take out Pierce? Then he waited so long long to put him back in. I also blame him for not running more sets for Pierce in the 4th.



I've been saying this since day 1!!!!!!!!!!!

We struggled against the Hawks, then the Cavs, BUT then we started to REALLY use Pierce and he erupted. We used him the same in the C.Finals and the NBA Finals.

I still have NO IDEA why he takes only 13FGA.

I can understand in easy blow out wins, but in games like this we need him taking at least 18FGA!

It's a **** joke. Why do we limit our best offensive player whilst the Lakers let Kobe take 23 FGA???

It's no coincidence that we started playing well in the NBA playoffs when we started using Pierce more. It's that simple.
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Re: I blame Doc/Rondo for this loss. 

Post#26 » by Pogue Mahone » Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:50 am

celticfan42487 wrote:We haven't defended for 48 minutes in the past 5 games. And the last 3 we won based on our offense and not defense.


Our defense has been above league average in 23 of the 30 games we have played this season (76.7%.) Our offense has been above league average in 16 of 30 games (53.3%.)

We held one of the best (3rd Overall) offenses in the league to below league average. The Lakers 4th ranked defense held our 5th ranked offense to way below our season averages. Why do you think that might be?

The problem isn't the defense, folks.
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Re: I blame Doc/Rondo for this loss. 

Post#27 » by cisco » Fri Dec 26, 2008 12:31 pm

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Spud34 wrote:How in the World did Pierce not get a chance to takeover in 4th? Why is he always standing around on offense? Rondo did a terrible job of getting Pierce the ball in the 4th.

And why the hell did Doc take out Pierce while he was hot? There was like 3min left in the 3rd, and you decide to take out Pierce? Then he waited so long long to put him back in. I also blame him for not running more sets for Pierce in the 4th.



I've been saying this since day 1!!!!!!!!!!!

We struggled against the Hawks, then the Cavs, BUT then we started to REALLY use Pierce and he erupted. We used him the same in the C.Finals and the NBA Finals.

I still have NO IDEA why he takes only 13FGA.

I can understand in easy blow out wins, but in games like this we need him taking at least 18FGA!

It's a **** joke. Why do we limit our best offensive player whilst the Lakers let Kobe take 23 FGA???

It's no coincidence that we started playing well in the NBA playoffs when we started using Pierce more. It's that simple.



Agree totally! When Pierce was playing really well in the 3rd, I just knew he was going to take over in the 4th, but it didn't appear that his number was called. :-? And why isn't Pierce playing with the 2nd unit instead of Ray? Pierce makes things happen, not only for himself, but he gets Eddie his open shots and gets Powe set up down low. He's the only one we have that can do everything. Pierce just wasn't involved enough in this game, imo. He could have dominated most of that game.
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Re: I blame Doc/Rondo for this loss. 

Post#28 » by jP3000 » Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:11 pm

Mistakes were made and I'd have to say that Tony Allen was the guilty party. Durring the second when he forced and forced and then fumbled and fumbled play after play. Awful!!! Plus Ray was out there with him along with Powe.

Tony turned into a major ball hog and tried to take the game over. NO DICE TONY!!

It shows me that we have to get a tall wing player who can hit a jumper.

I like Tony but he's weakness are too glaring!
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Re: I blame Doc/Rondo for this loss. 

Post#29 » by cfan79 » Fri Dec 26, 2008 9:07 pm

I thought Doc and Rondo did a good job. Lakers were just better on this night. There's no need to freak out after each loss. Every team loses, its all about who wins the last game in the playoffs.
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