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What is Ray Allen worth?

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Re: What is Ray Allen worth? 

Post#21 » by s1ickd » Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:57 am

Ray Allen is a solid number 2 on a playoff team, and a great number 3 on a playoff team (as we have seen).

If he's your best player, you probably arent making the playoffs (Seattle). However, given the situation, even the same oculd be said about Garnett.

Given that... think of what would happen if a team like Atlanta, New Orleans, Orlando, Dallas, or Denver added via trade? It would instantly make them contenders, imo. Ray is the type of guy that you can trade young talent and picks for to win right now. You can get a solid 3 years of pretty high production out of him.

I wouldn't take a lottery pick for him streight up, unless I was totaly rebuilding. Id take someone like a JR Smith, Thadeus Young, or another up and comming youngster with upside, but not gauranteed potential.
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Re: What is Ray Allen worth? 

Post#22 » by Ed Pinkney » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:04 am

Ray Allen is worth a NBA championship. Paul Pierce was a deserved Finals MVP but if Ray doesn't regain his touch during the Detroit series then scorch the Lakers in the Finals, we don't win.
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Re: What is Ray Allen worth? 

Post#23 » by Jesus Juice » Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:25 am

Honestly I thought that ray should have won MVP he def deserved it he kept it all together regardless of situation. The poster above gets what I am saying, if u got a nick young ur team has a longer window, and something to build on, I think they should do it next year depending on how dominant you look by the dead line.
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Re: What is Ray Allen worth? 

Post#24 » by Havlicek17 » Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:44 am

Jesus Juice, you are assuming that we need to reload...

Let me remind you that we are the defending champs, and you don't preemptively blow up a championship team. Well, unless you're Jerry Krause and look how good that turned out for Chicago.

Assuming we win it again this year, or get close, there is no way Ray is getting traded as an expiring contract. Paul and KG aren't here to reload, there here to win championships over the next few years.

Barring a serious injury, we will win it or be close again this year, and none of the big three will be going anywhere.

Let's assume we beat Cleveland again this year in the playoffs. Does Cleveland try to trade Lebron preemptively? They will not have won the championship and Lebron will be an expiring contract with a pretty large threat of leaving in 2010 without any compensation?

If I am NJ or NY or any of the teams waiting for 2010 and worried I might not going to be Lebron's first choice, I would absolutely throw the kitchen sink at Cleveland in trade scenarios to get the edge on the Lebron sweepstakes and help Cleveland with their rebuilding process. May be tough for Cleveland not to pull the trigger on that one.
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Re: What is Ray Allen worth? 

Post#25 » by Jesus Juice » Fri Jan 16, 2009 6:43 am

Lebron is 24 it's not the same as a 33 year old Allen let's not kid ourselves with that one. I am assuming that you need to reload cause your three are all over thirty, lebron already gave you the business once this year and I don't think you have the drive this year and are kind of complacent.

You all are missing the point, I understand of the 3 are there to win some rings but seriously you can't run ur team based only on KG, I really don't see u winning this year and I think next year the magic pass you, I get that the big three are there to win, but every one has room to get better, and u have no where to go but down. U are the champs but unless u win this year, ray should be shopped for a future piece
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Re: What is Ray Allen worth? 

Post#26 » by Havlicek17 » Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:12 am

Let's wait until the playoffs end to jump to the conclusion that we need to retool. Cleveland is about to go through a tough stretch of games over the next two weeks and I expect they will lose 4-5 games by early Feb. Celtics will be back in first in the East, and your point will be?

Orlando, are you serious?

It doesn't matter if Lebron is 24. If Cleveland loses to Boston in the playoffs this year. Ray isn't going anywhere, but Lebron might be another story.
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Re: What is Ray Allen worth? 

Post#27 » by Hawaii » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:39 am

I think Ray still has alot to offer the Celtics, and they should keep him around for a while. He's good for the team.
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Re: What is Ray Allen worth? 

Post#28 » by Kids Are Alright » Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:17 pm

I wonder what his worth is to a team like Portland....we could sure use strength down low....Aldridge? I don't know that we'd be much w/o Ray though..
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Re: What is Ray Allen worth? 

Post#29 » by Mahoney_jr » Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:49 pm

There aren't a lot all stars I would like on my team beyond age of 32 but Ray Allen (and KG) are certainly players who will age very well. If he gives hints that he would sign for a MLE type of contract I would be totally against trading him.
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Re: What is Ray Allen worth? 

Post#30 » by Jesus Juice » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:21 pm

Don't sleep on the O, Orlando is pretty good and younger than you are, if they stay together they very well might catch you, I don't think they will be in front of you for the rest of the year, but howard lewis and Turkyglue are a good three and right now are pretty dominant.

Detroit have made moves that have seem to mess up chemistry, but in the long run they can retool real easy, AI off the books 2010, sheed is up soon, and they can put another star next to hamilton and Prince, and stuckey is turning into quite the player, That's all I am talking about What are the options.

And yes there aren't many old stars that are better to have than your three, and the Idea of getting another chip is very real for boston and if that happens by all means this talk is a wash, But if it doesn't (which is very real as well, LA, Cleveland can give you a run) you have to think about looking at Rays worth. So with that said what do you think he is worth. Don't think turning Allen into a slightly younger star, Think young guys that could turn into really good players. I.E. Rudy Fernandez, or nick young
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Re: What is Ray Allen worth? 

Post#31 » by greenbeans » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:42 pm

Jesus Juice wrote:sheed is up soon, and they can put another star next to hamilton and Prince, and stuckey is turning into quite the player, That's all I am talking about What are the options.
What if Sheed comes to Boston though, which has been speculated? That's certainly a decent option to keep the chains moving. It doesn't even have to be him either, just a player who wants one last good chance at the ring and with Boston showing over the past couple years how vet-friendly they are I'd imagine it'd be a top destination.
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Re: What is Ray Allen worth? 

Post#32 » by campybatman » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:36 pm

I would prefer to see Ray Allen remain a Celtic and retire as one. However, I believe that Ray's expiring contract leading up to the trade deadline next season could be as valuable as Wally Szczerbiak's expiring contract this season for Cleveland. That's too tempting of a prospect for Ainge not to consider.

I say, you may not have a choice. Right now, Boston is tapped out of trade chips. You either can build up the value of the players you've on the bench in two to three seasons, successfully or unsuccessfully. Or rely on the draft and bargain basement free agent signings in order to sustain a certain level of consistency as far as offering a competitive team to fans in the next five to ten seasons. I mean a competitive team in terms of being a regular playoff team and not necessarily a championship caliber team. But, in Boston, standards are probably high to a lot of older fans.
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Re: What is Ray Allen worth? 

Post#33 » by Hemingway » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:51 pm

A few things:

If Danny can say he has a legit top 5 team, a decent shot at a title, you don't blow it up unless there is a steal of a deal to be had. You have to consider the Sheed to Boston situation as mentioned above. A team of PP, KG, RA, Sheed, Rondo and Perk even a year (or 2) older is still a top team. It is still a team that ring chasers want to come to. Maybe Danny can buy some more late firsts, find second round steals, fill out the roster. Let the youth play bigger minutes and rest the older players. Forget chasing the bulls record and focus on the title the way the spurs do year in year out.

A Ray trade can make sense though. Obviously a steal of a deal could come about. Danny could also see someone in the draft that no one else sees. And, as mentioned earlier, a trade could take place where Ray waits 30 days and comes back to Boston.

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