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Gant wrote:The thing that's mostly limiting Rondo's shots is he's a pass first point playing with three hall of famers.
Rondo's about 12th in the league in TS% among starting points (about the same as Tony Parker).
SuigintouEV wrote:Gant wrote:The thing that's mostly limiting Rondo's shots is he's a pass first point playing with three hall of famers.
Rondo's about 12th in the league in TS% among starting points (about the same as Tony Parker).
You do realize you're comparing the TS% of a guy avging 20.4ppg to a guy averaging 10.9 ppg, right?
SuigintouEV wrote:Gant wrote:The thing that's mostly limiting Rondo's shots is he's a pass first point playing with three hall of famers.
Rondo's about 12th in the league in TS% among starting points (about the same as Tony Parker).
You do realize you're comparing the TS% of a guy avging 20.4ppg to a guy averaging 10.9 ppg, right?
Gant wrote:The thing that's mostly limiting Rondo's shots is he's a pass first point playing with three hall of famers.
Dave_From_NB wrote:Gant wrote:The thing that's mostly limiting Rondo's shots is he's a pass first point playing with three hall of famers.
Steve Nash is a pass first PG as well, but he doesn't pass up the wide open shot. Stoudamire, Marion, Shaq, he's also had the options to distribute off to, and he led the league in assists for some years while still popping in some points. IMO that's the model for Rondo. Pass first, shoot when it's available.
Dave_From_NB wrote:Steve Nash is a pass first PG as well, but he doesn't pass up the wide open shot. Stoudamire, Marion, Shaq, he's also had the options to distribute off to, and he led the league in assists for some years while still popping in some points. IMO that's the model for Rondo. Pass first, shoot when it's available.
Gant wrote:I don't think anyone thinks he's a good shooter. But he is efficient because he drives by so many people for easy baskets.
He has to work on his jumper and free throw shooting. Everyone knows it. Doc knows it. Danny knows it. Rondo knows it.
When he adds that little spot up jumper, that's it, it will just open up the lane for him and there'll be no way to scheme for him.
Until he does that he is hurting the team in certain situations.
tombattor wrote:Dave_From_NB wrote:Steve Nash is a pass first PG as well, but he doesn't pass up the wide open shot. Stoudamire, Marion, Shaq, he's also had the options to distribute off to, and he led the league in assists for some years while still popping in some points. IMO that's the model for Rondo. Pass first, shoot when it's available.
I think you are right on the money. It's not that Rondo doesn't need to shoot because we have so many scorer, but that Rondo can't make outside shots. Even if you are a pass first PG, when you have an open shot, you have to take it. It helps spacing the defense out and doesn't allow defensive rotation to catch up when the ball is kicked out of double team. He's actually hurting the team by not taking those shots.
I just don't understand why it's so hard for people to accept that Rondo is an atrocious shooter. He is what he is. A good defender and a ball handler who can't shoot. Do we really need to make excuses to say that he's a good shooter when it's clear that he's not?
In particular, Rondo made opponents pay for leaving him open on the perimeter. Rondo made a very respectable 45.2 percent of his long 2-pointers, after nailing only 27.9 percent a year earlier. He also improved as a finisher, knocking down 54.3 percent of his shots in the immediate basket area, and finished 15th among point guards in PER.
Man_Up wrote:It seems people have forgotten that Rondo had a jumpshot just last season. Just because Espn keeps throwing "Rondo can't shoot" in your face, doesn't mean it's true. There's a difference between missing jumpshots, and not taking them. Rondo just needs to shake the rust off the jumper, in my opinion, it's just a confidence thing.
I love heinsohn wrote:Pro ballplayers thrive off of confidence and don't like to show weaknesses. Only the best players really take the time to attack their weaknesses. Think about all the talented big men that can't keep the weight off, lights out scorers that put out zero effort on D, etc. This is part of the maturation process for Rondo and I like that KG is pushing him to do this. I only hope that they have an agreement where KG has to post three or four times every game for every jumper that Rondo hits
tombattor wrote:I love heinsohn wrote:Pro ballplayers thrive off of confidence and don't like to show weaknesses. Only the best players really take the time to attack their weaknesses. Think about all the talented big men that can't keep the weight off, lights out scorers that put out zero effort on D, etc. This is part of the maturation process for Rondo and I like that KG is pushing him to do this. I only hope that they have an agreement where KG has to post three or four times every game for every jumper that Rondo hits
That's not true. You see a lot of guys who develop skills they didn't have coming out. For example, Tyrus Thomas was strictly an athlete and a dunker in college, but now he's added a mid-range jumper. Things like D has more to do with energy and athleticism, things not easily improved upon, than jumpshooting, which is more of a skill you can improve with practice. But even those players with crappy D get better at it by being more aware of where you need to be, not falling for fakes as easily, etc.
Gant wrote:The thing that's mostly limiting Rondo's shots is he's a pass first point playing with three hall of famers.
Rondo's about 12th in the league in TS% among starting points (about the same as Tony Parker).
He's also 4th in assist ratio.
2nd in rebound rate.
3rd in steals (2nd per minute).
2nd in fg%.
1st by far in defensive rating (points allowed per 100 possessions).
So yes he has some things to work on: His free throw shooting is poor. His jumper has been bad but it's getting better. He's young and sometimes inconsistent.
Rondo gives you a package of speed, huge hands, defense, passing and other skills that make him very formidable and he's improving.
He has outplayed many of the leagues top point guards this season: Harris, Calderon, Miller, Nash, Iverson, Deron Williams etc. That's not shabby.
He'll improve the jumper and when he does he'll be right up there among the league's top points
(except for Chris Paul) and will be a multiple all star.
