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Re: I really don't want to lose Ray Allen... 

Post#21 » by GuyClinch » Fri Apr 3, 2009 2:19 pm

Pete, by that logic, then maybe when you're having one of those days when you have stress from your personal life on your mind and if affects your performance at work, you should just stay home and your boss shouldn't pay you?


It depends on the job. If you are a life saving surgeon and your so screwed up by your personal life you can't even function then yas you should not operate. The guy working at Subway can probably just get through the day though..

For C's fans Rays job WAS critically imporant. He hurt the team at the wrong time and cam with in a sliver of costing us a championship. OTOH maybe it wasn't the kid and he was just sucking. Either way we get to find out this year as I bet the road to a championship goes through Cleveland.
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Re: I really don't want to lose Ray Allen... 

Post#22 » by MyInsatiableOne » Fri Apr 3, 2009 2:45 pm

I still think it was really nothing more than a slump that happened at the worst possible time...
It's still 17 to 11!!!!
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Re: I really don't want to lose Ray Allen... 

Post#23 » by billfromBoston » Fri Apr 3, 2009 3:02 pm

Forget the off-court stuff for a second:

Ray Allen was the 3rd option in Boston's half-court offense for the first two rounds of the playoffs. Allen, who had destroyed Cleveland during the regular season, became the focal point of Mike Brown's defensive scheme - the idea being that if they could eliminate Ray, Cleveland's bigs could do enough to limit KG and Boston would be reduced to Pierce vs. LeBron.

Allen was getting most of his shots in the 2nd half of the shot clock and was being run off very rudimentary baseline screen left/right and then being allowed to make a P&R read if it was there off the catch and no shoot. Aside from that, Ray was a kick-out option spotting up at the 3 point line.

Result, Ray took less than 7 shots per game in that Cleveland series, as Cleveland trapped Ray off the screen and brought a help defender to cover the roll man while they denied Allen the shot, pass, or dribble penetration - Allen wisely moved the ball around the horn on a majority of his touches and rarely got a clean look at the basket.

That series prompted Ray to make an off-hand comment about needing the ball in order to score and stated that it was the job of Rondo and the team to put him in positions to score. At that point NINETY PERCENT of this board said " Ray's old! He's finished! Now he's making excuses for why he can't play anymore!"

But...low and behold - Ray's frustration pays off as Boston bumps him up the food chain and starts getting him looks earlier in the shot clock - often becoming THE primary option with the first pass of the half-court set. After grinding out the first couple games of the Detroit series, Ray goes **** the last 10 games of the playoffs and the rest is history.

Ray's "slump" in Cleveland precipitated Doc and the team re-evaluating Ray's role in the offense. Since that frustrated comment by Ray, he has been the team's 2nd option in the offense and the dividends have been tremendous.

Ray will be utilized differently in the Cleveland series this year - if the team gets that far - and he'll be much better than he was last year.
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Re: I really don't want to lose Ray Allen... 

Post#24 » by MyInsatiableOne » Fri Apr 3, 2009 3:15 pm

Fantastic analysis, as usual, bfb.
It's still 17 to 11!!!!
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Re: I really don't want to lose Ray Allen... 

Post#25 » by GuyClinch » Fri Apr 3, 2009 6:00 pm

Result, Ray took less than 7 shots per game in that Cleveland series, as Cleveland trapped Ray off the screen and brought a help defender to cover the roll man while they denied Allen the shot, pass, or dribble penetration - Allen wisely moved the ball around the horn on a majority of his touches and rarely got a clean look at the basket.


This gives Ray far too much credit. Yes the Cleveland defense tried to thrwart plays involving Ray. At the same time he was often matched up against Wally S. and other sub-par defenders one on one and couldn't do anything with it. It was a disgraceful performance for a decorated all-star.

Your making Ray Allen out to be like Eddie House - a guy who can't do anything without getting free via scheme.
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Re: I really don't want to lose Ray Allen... 

Post#26 » by JR Hawks » Fri Apr 3, 2009 6:23 pm

Al-Haqq wrote:I like Ray, but paying him 12-13 million is not a good move.


Agreed. MLE type money or let him walk (or be traded).
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Re: I really don't want to lose Ray Allen... 

Post#27 » by Cyclical » Fri Apr 3, 2009 6:26 pm

Listen, Ray plain sucked during the CLE series last year. It wasn't really about not getting the ball - he missed plenty of wide open shots. But, who cares? Whether it was personal off-the-court reasons, a matter of adjusting to a system in his first year or just a plain good old slump, Ray's proven to still be a great player.

He may have lost a step in quickness and yes, his ball handling abilities have seemed to diminish but how can you go against an intelligent player who shoots 48% / 41% / 95% in his 12th year, is as clutch as PP, stays in great shape and is a proven chemistry guy? Ray should be a very dangerous offensive weapon for a few years to come - perhaps not all-star level but a keeper at a reasonable price nevertheless. The question will soon become "at what price?".

EDIT - JR Hawks, certainly, undoubtedly, more the MLE.
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Re: I really don't want to lose Ray Allen... 

Post#28 » by GuyClinch » Fri Apr 3, 2009 8:47 pm

He may have lost a step in quickness and yes, his ball handling abilities have seemed to diminish but how can you go against an intelligent player who shoots 48% / 41% / 95% in his 12th year, is as clutch as PP, stays in great shape and is a proven chemistry guy?


I am not going against him. He just isn't in my "can't lose" catergory until he delivers the goods in a big time playoff series. Against Cleveland I expected him to be all world. Instead I got a guy that I would have benched for most NBA 2 guards..

Against Cleveland he has GOT to be the man. KG isn't really the carry a team in crunch time kind of guy and PP will be kept busy with Lebron. If the C's win its up to him to play like basketball jesus..

I totally agree he is a keeper at reasonable price of course..
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Re: I really don't want to lose Ray Allen... 

Post#29 » by MyInsatiableOne » Fri Apr 3, 2009 8:59 pm

^Pete, so he didn't deliver for you against DET or LAL last season?
It's still 17 to 11!!!!

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