Doc deserves kudos

CeltsfaninDC · Post #1 » by **CeltsfaninDC** » Wed May 13, 2009 2:57 pm

I have to admit that I was a serious Doc basher for quite some time, but after last night's game I have completely changed my opinion. He did a masterful job using the clock, fouling when they needed to down the stretch and depleting Orlando of their timeouts. When Baby was taking those last two free throws there was nothing left for SVG to do. Doc had completely outplayed him and turned the last minute into a game of chess in which he easily outmaneuvered SVG. The fact that they are winning these games without RA playing well and KG (and Powe) not playing at all is a testament to Doc's system and his ability to get the players he has left to play together.
Great job!

MyInsatiableOne · Post #2 » by **MyInsatiableOne** » Wed May 13, 2009 3:07 pm

Doc is playing chess while SVG plays checkers and Dwight picks his nose and farts (see the SI cover story on Dwight for info on that...yuck!)

Gant · Post #3 » by **Gant** » Wed May 13, 2009 4:08 pm

CeltsfaninDC wrote:I have to admit that I was a serious Doc basher for quite some time, but after last night's game I have completely changed my opinion. He did a masterful job using the clock, fouling when they needed to down the stretch and depleting Orlando of their timeouts. When Baby was taking those last two free throws there was nothing left for SVG to do. Doc had completely outplayed him and turned the last minute into a game of chess in which he easily outmaneuvered SVG. The fact that they are winning these games without RA playing well and KG (and Powe) not playing at all is a testament to Doc's system and his ability to get the players he has left to play together.
Great job!

Doc's been great all along. The execution of that end of game sequence was perfect. There's a risk either way (fouling or not fouling) but you can't do it any better than the Celtics did last night.

Beautiful.

Post #4 » by **sully00** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:30 pm

It isn't just what Doc is doing vs what SVG is doing it is the difference of Docs' guys are capable of doing what he is telling them. But even as great as it looks right now, did anyone see Doc having to yell at his team and explain how to wrap up on the fouls in the final 10 seconds as if it was CYO ball and then you remember his two HOF **** it up the last time.

If it was easy they wouldn't have to fire so many of them.

Post #5 » by **UGA Hayes** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:48 pm

I may be in the minority but I think Doc is having only an average playoffs. He has been great out of timeouts, but I'm not a big fan of our substituion pattern, timing of timeouts, or end of game management in situations where we don't have timeouts. I give him somewhat of a break b/c our bench is depleted. but I still think he could do better. I actually thought his decision to leave the bench players in until the 5:40 minute was a terrible decision andthink people are letting the MArbury scoring blind them to the fact that the time he was in wasn't a particularly great stretch with Orlando scoring on layups getting oboards, etc.

^speaking on the wright situation. What the f was Marbury doing on the final possession last night. He almost fouled them on a 3 point shot. That is why he only gets these short stints no matter how well he shoots.

Starbury4lyf · Post #6 » by **Starbury4lyf** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:21 pm

UGA Hayes wrote:^speaking on the wright situation. What the f was Marbury doing on the final possession last night. He almost fouled them on a 3 point shot. That is why he only gets these short stints no matter how well he shoots

What the hell are you talking about? Hes probably the smartest defender on the C's and he did not "amost foul" anyone on the three point shot. Even Doc said that Marbury has been the C's best defender

BillTheGOAT · Post #7 » by **BillTheGOAT** » Wed May 13, 2009 9:35 pm

MyInsatiableOne wrote:Doc is playing chess while SVG plays checkers and Dwight picks his nose and farts (see the SI cover story on Dwight for info on that...yuck!)

do you have that link about his boogers ? his voice sounds weired when he talks,as if there's snot in his nose all the time, and i can definitely say i smelled crap when i saw this guys pressconference.

Fencer reregistered · Post #8 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Wed May 13, 2009 10:03 pm

I can't think of anything that Doc's done in the postseason that was obviously, stupidly wrong, except that I think in sa couple of the many, many "game-ending" periods vs. Chicago he didn't get his offensive/defensive substitutions quite right.

Some article today said that he unloaded some F-bombs on Scalabrine to get him to take open shots last night. That was good coaching -- once Scal finally started trying his open looks, he hit 2 of 3 threes.

I think that, unlike SVG, he could have done anything he thought right regarding end-of-game rotations without having a player rebellion, because he's built that level of trust and respect with his team.

I don't know whether Doc is above average as an NBA coach, but he's doing fine at a tough job.

Dirty Water · Post #9 » by **Dirty Water** » Thu May 14, 2009 1:00 am

Starbury4lyf wrote:
UGA Hayes wrote:^speaking on the wright situation. What the f was Marbury doing on the final possession last night. He almost fouled them on a 3 point shot. That is why he only gets these short stints no matter how well he shoots

What the hell are you talking about? Hes probably the smartest defender on the C's and he did not "amost foul" anyone on the three point shot. Even Doc said that Marbury has been the C's best defender

Not sure if we're watching the same games because I agree with UGA Hayes, that was pretty close to a foul on that last posession. I see you name is Starbury4lyf, your assessment on his ability to defend is a little off. Yes he provided us with a great spark last night, but in the end, he left the game with the score just about the same as it was when he came in. No one is arguing against him being able to keep us afloat during that time stretch (that was huge) but I wouldn't rate his overall defense as the "smartest," imo.

cloverleaf · Post #10 » by **cloverleaf** » Thu May 14, 2009 1:02 am

Come on, how can anyone possibly not look over to the Orlando bench and be incredibly grateful for Doc?

Dirty Water · Post #11 » by **Dirty Water** » Thu May 14, 2009 1:04 am

cloverleaf wrote:Come on, how can anyone possibly not look over to the Orlando bench and be incredibly grateful for Doc?

Speaking of the Orlando bench we could use Tony Battie right now. Trust him more than Miki Moore.

Post #12 » by **sully00** » Thu May 14, 2009 3:17 am

I just watched it again to make sure Marbury didn't do anything on that last attempt Johnson is just spinning trying to get contact and Marbs has hands up and is just back peddling.

I think Doc does a great job on the bench. He is hard on the officials without picking up many techs and he is a very good game manager. Not liking what this team does without a time out is a sign of how important he has become. This team is a mess right now, this is a top heavy line up that is missing its number one guy as well its best offensive sub and isn't very deep to begin with.

For anyone who thinks they know better than him remember what you thought about Big Baby and all those jump shots in Nov and Dec and think maybe you don't know as much as he does. I learned my lesson with Doc when I thought he couldn't get along with his best player, the guy gets it there is a reason he won 17 games and kept his job.

cloverleaf · Post #13 » by **cloverleaf** » Thu May 14, 2009 6:14 am

Ghost of the Garden wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:Come on, how can anyone possibly not look over to the Orlando bench and be incredibly grateful for Doc?

Speaking of the Orlando bench we could use Tony Battie right now. Trust him more than Miki Moore.

I'd take Mr. Gortat first.

cloverleaf · Post #14 » by **cloverleaf** » Thu May 14, 2009 6:14 am

Ghost of the Garden wrote:
cloverleaf wrote:Come on, how can anyone possibly not look over to the Orlando bench and be incredibly grateful for Doc?

Speaking of the Orlando bench we could use Tony Battie right now. Trust him more than Miki Moore.

I'd take Mr. Gortat first.

Fencer reregistered · Post #15 » by **Fencer reregistered** » Thu May 14, 2009 9:48 am

Fencer reregistered wrote:I can't think of anything that Doc's done in the postseason that was obviously, stupidly wrong, except that I think in sa couple of the many, many "game-ending" periods vs. Chicago he didn't get his offensive/defensive substitutions quite right.

Some article today said that he unloaded some F-bombs on Scalabrine to get him to take open shots last night. That was good coaching -- once Scal finally started trying his open looks, he hit 2 of 3 threes.

I think that, unlike SVG, he could have done anything he thought right regarding end-of-game rotations without having a player rebellion, because he's built that level of trust and respect with his team.

I don't know whether Doc is above average as an NBA coach, but he's doing fine at a tough job.

Adding to my own point, it seems he give a quick lesson in how to give game-ending fouls with 9 seconds left. And the players obviously did NOT tune him out. That's a payoff to being not-a-screaming-jerk most of the time.

spf211 · Post #16 » by **spf211** » Thu May 14, 2009 11:06 am

Kudos.

Kids Are Alright · Post #17 » by **Kids Are Alright** » Thu May 14, 2009 11:06 am

If Doc had any brains at all he'd be starting Tony Allen at the 1.

Great Job by Doc this post season. You look at the timeouts and they're all focused on Doc, you look at SVG and they're just mulling around. I really liked his comments during the game about the grittiness of the team, Ray and Eddie and so on. Just "Feed the Beast".

Bad-Thoma · Post #18 » by **Bad-Thoma** » Thu May 14, 2009 10:30 pm

Better than any game management skills or planning by Doc is just the fact that players buy into him. I don't think any coach in the NBA gets more out of what he has to work with than Doc gets out of the C's.