SVG is a Douche, Part 2

[MyInsatiableOne]

I hate Ron Borges but this is pretty funny:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/bask ... ine_whine/

[AlCelticFan]

That Ron Borges articles was brutal... ROFL.

[MyInsatiableOne]

That Ron Borges articles was brutal... ROFL.

Yep...as much as I hate Borges and he's a **** ****, that was well deserved toward the Orlando Tragic...

[sully00]

I just keep thinking about different shots at the end of that game especially Lewis stuff that was like lay ups in the first 3 quarters and he was clanging them off the side of the rim. I remember like looking at the score and adding the points and then realizing he missed. In that Bulls series did anyone ever miss an open look?

[Athanacropolis]

^He throws them under the bus all the time, too, blaming them for losses. REGARDLESS, a coach should ALWAYS take the blame in public and then talk for real behind closed doors...

Kind of the way Doc handles things, even though many on this board have in the past said they'd gladly trade Doc for SVG....

[MyInsatiableOne]

^He throws them under the bus all the time, too, blaming them for losses. REGARDLESS, a coach should ALWAYS take the blame in public and then talk for real behind closed doors...

Kind of the way Doc handles things, even though many on this board have in the past said they'd gladly trade Doc for SVG....

Wonder how many would do that now?

[Devin 1L]

As much as I dislike Bill Simmons, he nailed it on the head when he said SVG was a bad coach because he panics. He does...he is like a teenage girl, "OMG! OMG!" The guy freaks out and starts grasping at straws instead of remaining cool...no wonder he's a loser and one of the most disliked coaches in the league...he should stop running his **** mouth and start growing a set and coaching like a man!

Criticize him if you like, but try actually bringing something meaningful.

First, The whole panic thing is (Please Use More Appropriate Word). It's like the way Boston players are viewed: some say they're intense, but others say they're punks. It's which way you view it, and often what circumstance it is in.

For Stan, if Orlando wins, everyone rides his jock about great he is -- how intense he is.

If Orlando loses, everyone slams him -- that "intensity" is now "panic". It's dumb.

Whats more, half the time someone says he panicked, it was actually in a situation where he didn't panic. People suggest he should have done something different and then propose some off the wall idea that the Magic have never really experimented with. That would be panicking.

Secondly, he's a loser?

He's off to one of the best coaching starts in history. Further, he was just 3rd in the Coach Of the Year voting, 1 point behind Rick Adelman at 2nd, with Mike Brown obviously winning. Sure sounds like a loser who everyone dislikes.

Either way he's gone after this season. Who in their right mind would hire him? Has he *really* proven he can coach? He has coached two loaded teams well below expectations...

Seriously? I mean, seriously? Two loaded teams well below expectations?

I don't think I need to even explain.

^He throws them under the bus all the time, too, blaming them for losses. REGARDLESS, a coach should ALWAYS take the blame in public and then talk for real behind closed doors...

Again, seriously?

You're dead wrong. For one, Stan almost always takes the blame -- often even when it clearly wasn't his fault. Further, when he gets praise he almost always deflects it to his players.

Besides, what dumb premise... A coach should ALWAYS take the blame? What if calling a player out would lead to a better result. Van Gundy did notably call Dwight out once, deservedly, and it worked perfectly. He acknowledge that Van Gundy was right, and then proceeded to dominate on the court. Did Van Gundy mess up there?

Like I said, criticize him if you like, but actually bring something meaningful. As it is, you're pretty much just making things up in your posts.

[sully00]

I don't have a problem with SVG outside of the way his team played in the last 4 mins of a playoff game and I think his focus has wandered in this series in his comments. I think a team reflects its coach, not the good or the bad but everything.

From the outside I can see the panic label because his team played that way and the marriage of coach and team doesn't seem great at the moment. But losing is supposed to suck and I think that if anything SVG was trying to protect Howard a little bit knowing he is young and struggles at the line.

[Larry Joe Bird]

Suns center Shaquille O'Neal on Magic coach Stan Van Gundy

I know for a fact that he's a master of panic, and when it gets time for his team to go in the postseason and do certain things, he will let them down because of his panic. I've been there before, I've played for him." LINK

[MyInsatiableOne]

^Thank you...

And I *would* say not getting the Heat or Magic to the Finals, or at least ECF, with those loaded rosters, is underachieving. Riley fired SVG's ass and took the Heat to the promised land (with a special shout-out to Bennett Salvatore and the entire NBA refereeing crew)...

And a coach should never rip a guy in front of the media...save that **** for the lockerroom...

That's the difference between guys saying bad **** about SVG after they don't play for him (Shaq, for example) and Doc (has anyone heard a player rip Doc after leaving the C's?)

[Devin 1L]

^Thank you...

And that proves what?

I briefly scrolled through your posting history, it's amazing. It's like you have some infatuation with Stan Van Gundy. It seemed as though every one of your posts had "Stan", "little girl" and "panic" in it. Not much more, not much insight, just constant repetition of a few key words in all your posts. Very insightful! Constantly spewing the same babble doesn't make it true, it makes you Stephen A. Smith.

And I *would* say not getting the Heat or Magic to the Finals, or at least ECF, with those loaded rosters, is underachieving. Riley fired SVG's ass and took the Heat to the promised land (with a special shout-out to Bennett Salvatore and the entire NBA refereeing crew)...

Ok, well that seems a little out of touch with reality.

The Magic not getting to the finals is underachieving? Ha! Never mind the fact that Orlando is short one All Star.

Just for kicks, let's take a look at what the so-called experts felt.

J.A. Adande, Jon Barry, Chris Broussard, Ric Bucher, Chad Ford, Jemele Hill, John Hollinger, Jalen Rose, Chris Sheridan, Marc Stein (this is every person that was polled) picked the Magic to finish a lower seed than they did.

Another tally of 25 various ESPN writers picked the Magic to finish with a lower seed than they did.

Of those 25 various ESPN writers, not only did they pick them to finish with a lower seed, but not a single one picked the Magic to win their conference. Collectively, they pegged three 50-win teams in the East; the Magic were not one of those teams. The Magic finished with 59 wins.

Of 18 ESPN experts, again, not a single one picked the Magic to win their conference, which as you say is an underachievement not to do. Of those 18, Scoop Jackson didn't even think Orlando would win their division but rather trail behind the Hawks. Hollinger picked second round, but no further.

Lastly, just for fun, not one picked Dwight Howard to win DPOY, nor Stan for COY where he tied for 3rd.

You can just make up some standard and say that if they don't meet it that they are underachieving (and subsequently blame Stan Van Gundy), but realize, you're standard is out of line with everyone else.

By all accounts, the Magic have been overachieving under the guidance of Stan Van Gundy.

And a coach should never rip a guy in front of the media...save that **** for the lockerroom...

Again, where are you getting this from? Where is Stan "ripping" his players? You make it sound like Stan call people out like "Player X is why we lost, they cost us a win", etc. He's not though. He never does anything like that, and rarely "calls out" anyone. As I said, he once talked specifically about Dwight after a game -- about his focus and effort on defense. Who are you to say he should never do that? As I asked, what if that was the perfect thing to do? We heard about it and we heard from both parties. Dwight said Stan was right, and he vowed to step it up. What did he do? He did exactly that -- he came out like a monster after that. It worked perfectly. But you call it "ripping a player" and that he should never do that. Whatever.

That's the difference between guys saying bad **** about SVG after they don't play for him (Shaq, for example) and Doc (has anyone heard a player rip Doc after leaving the C's?)

Oh, you mean that same guy who trashes pretty much everyone he's played with/for? Dude even trashed Riley. That's all he does -- he talks, and he takes shots at everyone when he leaves. The most ironic thing about the whole Shaq fiasco is why Van Gundy was even in it. He was sticking up for Dwight. He does that -- he shoulders the blame, he takes the heat and he passes on the praise. Shaq had been hard on Dwight, and Stan stuck up for Dwight, notably after the almighty Shaq flopped when guarding Dwight, you know, that thing he criticizes everyone else for. Stan stepped in, pointed that out, deflected the heat that Shaq had been giving Dwight onto himself.

[NBA Analyst+]

Threads like this is why most people don't like Boston fans.

[Cigamodnalro]

And I *would* say not getting the Heat or Magic to the Finals, or at least ECF, with those loaded rosters, is underachieving. Riley fired SVG's ass and took the Heat to the promised land (with a special shout-out to Bennett Salvatore and the entire NBA refereeing crew)...

PG: Rafer Alston, Bimbo Coles, Kirk Penney
SG: Dwyane Wade, Rasual Butler, Eddie Jones
SF: Caron Butler, Jerome Beasley
PF: Lamar Odom, Samaki Walker, Brian Grant
C: Udonis Haslem, Loren Woods, Wang ZhiZhi

You think THIS is a Championship team?

What SVG got out of the 2004 Heat was, in short, absolutely incredible. Nobody saw it coming, and it was criminal for Riley to steal back the reigns after the job that Stan did in Miami with the talent available to him.