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Re: Back up small forward 

Post#21 » by Celts17Pride » Tue May 19, 2009 1:41 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Ainge looks at Nocioni again. The Celtics have expiring contracts with Scal & TA and this would give the Kings much needed room for 2010 free agents.

Something like Scalabrine, Tony Allen & Giddens or Pruitt for Nocioni. This would give the Kings cap room for 2010 and a young player. The Celtics get a backup SF and clear room on the roster without using the MLE. The MLE would be used on a big (Wallace, McDyess, Pachulia etc.)

It all depends on what the Celtics can do as far as extensions for their own players and how much over the luxury tax they are willing to go over.
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Post#22 » by Mahoney_jr » Tue May 19, 2009 1:57 pm

Uh... Nocioni would fit in very well. I like that deal. If we include Pruitt, the Kings could release him immediately to free up more money.
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Post#23 » by TheOGJabroni » Tue May 19, 2009 4:17 pm

I've said in another thread, if we can't get the big name Artest or Marion, I hope the MLE is used on Sheed, then we sign a SF like:
James Posey
Andres Nocioni
Travis Outlaw
Matt Barnes
Julian Wright
Linas Kleiza

there are many options.
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Post#24 » by vct33 » Tue May 19, 2009 4:23 pm

Josh Childress & Matt Barnes would be my top two targets.
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Post#25 » by theman » Tue May 19, 2009 6:03 pm

I wonder if we might acquire one via sign and trade of big baby. I keep hear talk of him getting 10 million per. That sound quite high to me. So perhaps he signs that with the C's and is traded to the team willing to pay that and we get something in return.
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Post#26 » by TheOGJabroni » Tue May 19, 2009 6:43 pm

vct33 wrote:Josh Childress & Matt Barnes would be my top two targets.

Yes, add Childress to my list.
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Post#27 » by Celts17Pride » Tue May 19, 2009 6:53 pm

theman wrote:I wonder if we might acquire one via sign and trade of big baby. I keep hear talk of him getting 10 million per. That sound quite high to me. So perhaps he signs that with the C's and is traded to the team willing to pay that and we get something in return.


People are forgetting the economic state of the NBA. The salary cap is going down, the luxury tax level is going down. NBA teams are not going to be giving Big Baby $10 million per year. His cap is going to be at around the mid-level which is $5.5 million and he is going to be real lucky to get that starting figure. My guess is he will start at about $4.0 million per and if that is the case he will be back with the Celtics.
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Re: Back up small forward 

Post#28 » by theman » Tue May 19, 2009 7:06 pm

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theman wrote:I wonder if we might acquire one via sign and trade of big baby. I keep hear talk of him getting 10 million per. That sound quite high to me. So perhaps he signs that with the C's and is traded to the team willing to pay that and we get something in return.


People are forgetting the economic state of the NBA. The salary cap is going down, the luxury tax level is going down. NBA teams are not going to be giving Big Baby $10 million per year. His cap is going to be at around the mid-level which is $5.5 million and he is going to be real lucky to get that starting figure. My guess is he will start at about $4.0 million per and if that is the case he will be back with the Celtics.


That is exactly what I was thinking he was worth. I just tend to be wrong on such matters so I wasn't sure.
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Post#29 » by GuyClinch » Tue May 19, 2009 11:26 pm

10 million Per for a guy who can't rebound or defend very well? LMAO. Can't we just trade back for Ryan Gomes.. <g> Gomes is about as tall as Davis but more of a legit scorer..
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Post#30 » by celticfan42487 » Tue May 19, 2009 11:44 pm

I agree.

Hey Baby did great to not drop the ball.

But he can't really defend or rebound. Is an interesting heavy tweener.

I can't see paying him more then 4 mill.

But everyone saying he finally emerge though he'd be getting about 2 million a year prior to this playoffs. So yes, he emerged. They'll be 1 team out of the 31 that will overpay him to 4 mil. And I think we'll end up keeping him because we won't want to gamble that we can actually get a backup Center.

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Post#31 » by DorfonCeltics » Wed May 20, 2009 12:13 am

bonsaiflipflops wrote:My interest is still in acquiring Travis Outlaw somehow. He's young with some potential on defense, and he has length you like. Won't be asked to score a lot, but he's capable of scoring within his game. If only he could develop range out to the three-point line. Another decent option might be Renaldo Balkman. Either player I would've an interest in at backup small forward, if either becomes available this off-season via a trade. And they've short term likable contracts.


I'm a huge fan of getting Travis Outlaw and have been for a while. That guy has 3pt range right now. IMO he has legit scoring abilities for a back up but his defense could improve. If we could somehow get him and Dice I would happy with our bench. Add Marbury as your backup point guard and you're all set.
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Post#32 » by campybatman » Wed May 20, 2009 2:22 am

Anyone think Ainge could sign Marvin Williams?

Why are people suggesting Marion? Last time I'd read, he didn't want to be traded here during the Garnett trading period.
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Post#33 » by CeltsfanSinceBirth » Wed May 20, 2009 2:41 am

I think Anthony Parker would be very realistic money-wise, and I think he'd be a great fit coming off the bench. Selfless player, plays within himself and doesn't force shots, decent defender, capable of hitting the 3.
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Post#34 » by Dirty Water » Wed May 20, 2009 4:14 am

thebirdman wrote:I would love Ratliff for the minimum...

He's a has been.
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Post#35 » by campybatman » Wed May 20, 2009 11:32 am

I'm all for signing Anthony Parker, but he's a shooting guard.

It's got to be Outlaw... Because I would think Portland might want to shave off some salary, and make a few deals involving their young players like Outlaw, Webster and Rodriguez. They'll be dealing with the salary cap ramification of Miles' contract, and will need to sign both Aldridge and Roy to extensions real soon. Blake could be deem expendable as well. Especially, if Bayless improves next season.
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Post#36 » by Mahoney_jr » Wed May 20, 2009 11:49 am

theman wrote:I wonder if we might acquire one via sign and trade of big baby. I keep hear talk of him getting 10 million per. That sound quite high to me. So perhaps he signs that with the C's and is traded to the team willing to pay that and we get something in return.


Technically impossible. Players with only two years of pro experience can only get league average salary (+8%), which we could match with our early bird rights on Davis.

Max salary for Davis would be around the MLE.
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Post#37 » by DelMonte West » Wed May 20, 2009 2:21 pm

bonsaiflipflops wrote:My interest is still in acquiring Travis Outlaw somehow. He's young with some potential on defense, and he has length you like. Won't be asked to score a lot, but he's capable of scoring within his game. If only he could develop range out to the three-point line. Another decent option might be Renaldo Balkman. Either player I would've an interest in at backup small forward, if either becomes available this off-season via a trade. And they've short term likable contracts.


Disagree with Balkman a little (like his defense/hustle but not his offense), but am with you 100% with Outlaw. He's my best case scenario pickup over even Rasheed.
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Post#38 » by humblebum » Wed May 20, 2009 2:34 pm

I think that Outlaw is more of a dream scenario than a reality. The Celtics are going to look to address both backup SF and adding a PF-C with length. So spending the full MLE on either need doesn't seem all too likely. Unless of course Danny can find someone to take Scal + Tony's expirings for a SG/SF on a questionable long-term deal like Nocioni, Posey, or Kapono.
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Re: Back up small forward 

Post#39 » by BakersDozen » Wed May 20, 2009 5:11 pm

bonsaiflipflops wrote:Anyone think Ainge could sign Marvin Williams?

Why are people suggesting Marion? Last time I'd read, he didn't want to be traded here during the Garnett trading period.



I'd love to get Marvin Williams but thats not going to happen. As for Marion. He turned us down before we even had Ray Allen nevermind KG. I dont think we really have a shot at Marion but the team we have now and the team he blackballed are completely different.

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