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Re: Orlando... Cleveland.. SA 

Post#21 » by chakdaddy » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:54 am

GreenDreamer wrote:This is why I think Ray needs to go. Split his contract into two or three players, and we can still be OK, meanwhile try and concentrate guys like Tony and Veal into a single contract. Then you have the flexibility down the road to wheel and deal.


Turn one All-Star into 2 or 3 role players...no thanks. All these other teams are adding borderline all-stars for nothing...we'd lose ground really fast if we let Ray evaporate like that. The worst ideas have been these Ray for a bunch of Bobcats proposals.
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Post#22 » by GreenDreamer » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:58 am

chakdaddy wrote:
GreenDreamer wrote:This is why I think Ray needs to go. Split his contract into two or three players, and we can still be OK, meanwhile try and concentrate guys like Tony and Veal into a single contract. Then you have the flexibility down the road to wheel and deal.


Turn one All-Star into 2 or 3 role players...no thanks. All these other teams are adding borderline all-stars for nothing...we'd lose ground really fast if we let Ray evaporate like that. The worst ideas have been these Ray for a bunch of Bobcats proposals.


Not necessarily two or three role players, but one good player and a role player. If Ray was 28 years old, I'd be singing another tune, but he's getting on in years, and having 60 million dollars wrapped up in three aging players is very stressful on a team. It makes it hard to do deals and it makes it hard to keep a good bench. Ray is still great, but with no one to back him up this season he was flat out exhausted at the end. Diminishing returns, dude.

We don't just have three max deals, we have three max deals on OLDER players, which means that they make more money than younger players on a max deal, which is the way that the CBA is set up. Our team has three big time players who get paid a bunch of money, and the rest of the roster is low paid, with Perk's 4 million a year (what a steal he's been when most bigs on his level get 8 to 10 mill) being the next biggest contract. Apart from Rondo, who isn't get paid anywhere near he is worth, we have a bunch of guys getting paid exactly what they are worth, peanuts, which is all that we can afford. That is why we have no bench.


We just picked up the only guy in division 1 history to record a quadruple
double. Rondo just found a new best friend.
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Re: Orlando... Cleveland.. SA 

Post#23 » by Luffy » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:22 am

Honestly, all this means is that Celtics will have a tougher road, but they will still make it to the NBA finals next year. The only worry about beating Orlando or Cleveland is that the wear and tear of these series could potentially have a negative effect on the already deteriorating legs of Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce. Celtics need to pick up a solid backup big via free agency.
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Post#24 » by celticsfanforlife » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:31 am

What happened to the talk that Ray is a shooter and shooters can last till extremely old ages (Reggie Miller)? I thought that was the consensus when we got him...just playing devil's advocate on that..

I do agree that if we could flip Ray into a good player and a role player, then flip Tony and Scal into a good player, it would be worth it, however.
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Post#25 » by ParticleMan » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:47 am

I'm just not afraid of Shaq anymore. He is old, slow, and can't defend. His ppg is a red herring. He eats possessions, but he no longer does so efficeintly. I'd rather have him eat possessions than Bron.
Carter is a good pickup (considering what they gave up) but they will lose Hedo, so that's a wash. The Hedo/Shard matchup was tough at the 3/4. who will they put at the 4 now?
Richard Jefferson was a good pickup. the spurs will be solid, but it's all about TD's health. and they have to get past the lakers.

i still think we're the team to beat.
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Post#26 » by return2glory » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:50 am

SonicYouth34 wrote:Perk> Shaq
Turk> Carter
SA is in the West

In summary, we're fine.


Sorry, but that logic doesn't make any sense. Shaq is better than Ben Wallace, why are you comparing him to Perkins. The Cavs upgraded their team.

It's like if we added Shaq for TA and Moore. Wouldn't that be an upgrade for us? Shaq could be our back up center and play 20-25 minutes a game. A huge improvement over Moore.
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Post#27 » by LA_Nation » Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:15 am

[quote][We are still the team to beat. No one has ever beat our team when healthy in a 7 game series and I don't see anyone out there who can./quote]

SO...FINALLLLLYYYY...a Celt fan willing to go on the record...

YOU believe this team is actually good enough to win it all...

Where were you on my post (before it got locked by overzealous mods)...

FINALLY...someone with the BALLS to stand up and say..WE ARE GOOD ENOUGH!!!

While I KNOW you are WRONG...I appreciate your devotion...

Good Luck!!! :D
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Post#28 » by MyInsatiableOne » Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:24 am

The Tragic getting Wince is fantastic, as good as the Cavs getting Shaq...those two teams will take major steps back next season...
It's still 17 to 11!!!!

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