Big Baby for Yi

[sully00]

Unless there is some type of deal we are waiting on I am really sick on how Davis is being treated by this organization. He passed the playoff test last year and showed he should be part of the rotation for this team. If he isn't offered 3.5 to 4 million on a two year contract then he should be mad and demand to be sent to another team. I'll bet if he has to come back for the QO he won't be happy and will voice his opinion, and rightfully so. This type of stance the front office is taking on Davis and possibly Powe makes them look bad. Sure Powe needs to prove he can come back from this injury, but do you think the front office would be treating Powe this way if he didn't get injured. It will be too bad when we do lose Davis as there will be some team sitting there right now waiting for the free agent period to dry up that does find him to worth the MLE, and they aren't going to help the Celtics out with any kind of sign and trade.

Boston hasn't done Davis wrong in this situation. I don't think he and his people are ready to sign for 4 million bucks a year yet. To take Davis off the market it was going to take something over 5 mil a year by giving him your best offer now it only provides the floor for his cost. This month is when Restricted FA's start to settle up with their teams.

Because Davis' QO is so small he can actually leverage that against the team somewhat in the sense that he can just hold out into the season, risking only the difference between the 1 mil QO and the $825,000 minimum. So unless he decides he wants a one year deal he is going to get a fair offer from Boston or they would have just let him go.

[chas0x01]

I would do the Davis for Yi deal, especially if Yi put on some extra muscle during the offseason. What Davis gives us that Yi doesn't, can be replaced by guys like Sheldon Willians or Brian Skinner. If Ainges can make this happen, I think we're good to go.

Rondo, Lue, Hudson
RA, House, Giddens
PP, MD, Scal
KG, Yi
Perks, Sheed, Willians

Hudson goes to the DL, while you toggle the 12th active between Lue and Giddens so both get some burn during the season. You have your deep bench banger in Willians to help against the Shaqs and Howards of the league. You have some nice versatility with several players being able to cover multiple positions. And you have an open roster spot incase Danny needs to had another body during the season.

[GuyClinch]

Because Davis' QO is so small he can actually leverage that against the team somewhat in the sense that he can just hold out into the season, risking only the difference between the 1 mil QO and the $825,000 minimum

Well they could always up it into the 2 million dollar range. That's more then doubles the min..but is still okay for a 4th big. I doubt they want to repeat the Scalabrine mistake..

Pete

[sully00]

Because Davis' QO is so small he can actually leverage that against the team somewhat in the sense that he can just hold out into the season, risking only the difference between the 1 mil QO and the $825,000 minimum

Well they could always up it into the 2 million dollar range. That's more then doubles the min..but is still okay for a 4th big. I doubt they want to repeat the Scalabrine mistake..

Pete

They will have a good ideal of what other teams are willing pay for him at this point through S&T talks. They are caught in between the rules a little bit. They have to give him a 2 year deal to use his early bird rights, if they could get him for Scal money I think they would take that and run. HOU was able to bring back Carl Landry under similar circumstances for 3 years 9 mil and the 3rd year isn't guaranteed. He was coming off his rookie season with bad knees. In the end I think they are probably looking at 5 years 20 mil, and they can backload the contract.

[chas0x01]

I would do the Davis for Yi deal, especially if Yi put on some extra muscle during the offseason. What Davis gives us that Yi doesn't, can be replaced by guys like Sheldon Willians or Brian Skinner. If Ainges can make this happen, I think we're good to go.

Rondo, Lue, Hudson
RA, House, Giddens
PP, MD, Scal
KG, Yi
Perks, Sheed, Willians

Hudson goes to the DL, while you toggle the 12th active between Lue and Giddens so both get some burn during the season. You have your deep bench banger in Willians to help against the Shaqs and Howards of the league. You have some nice versatility with several players being able to cover multiple positions. And you have an open roster spot incase Danny needs to had another body during the season.

Not a bad call on Williams..

[sully00]

Certainly a nice call there but I think Boston asking for Yi in a S&T for Davis was way of ending negotiations not a serious trade offer but we will see.

[JHTruth]

More and more I think Baby will go the David Lee route and sign for the QO this year and then become a FA again next summer. This just isn't happening for him in this economy..

[Fencer reregistered]

More and more I think Baby will go the David Lee route and sign for the QO this year and then become a FA again next summer. This just isn't happening for him in this economy..

Problem: He's not apt to get a lot of minutes this year, certainly not consistent ones. So his value could plummet.

BBD is screwed, if by "screwed" you mean "left with no better option than signing a multimillion contract with a great franchise in a great city that has a great chance of winning more championships and has already done a great job of developing his talents."

[celtxman]

Unless there is some type of deal we are waiting on I am really sick on how Davis is being treated by this organization. He passed the playoff test last year and showed he should be part of the rotation for this team. If he isn't offered 3.5 to 4 million on a two year contract then he should be mad and demand to be sent to another team. I'll bet if he has to come back for the QO he won't be happy and will voice his opinion, and rightfully so. This type of stance the front office is taking on Davis and possibly Powe makes them look bad. Sure Powe needs to prove he can come back from this injury, but do you think the front office would be treating Powe this way if he didn't get injured. It will be too bad when we do lose Davis as there will be some team sitting there right now waiting for the free agent period to dry up that does find him to worth the MLE, and they aren't going to help the Celtics out with any kind of sign and trade.

As for all this YI talk, he in no way is coming here for Davis or any other guy Ainge wants them to take. Davis is the better player by far and has proven to be a contributor to a palyoff team. Yi is soft and will only be a contributor on any given team, where Davis is a gamer who will put it out there for his team.

This is simply the reverse of James Posey. Posey had the leverage with his offer from New Orleans and he took it - no sentimentality - no home team discount. The Celtics appear to have leverage with Davis - and with a team that is already going to be way over the cap, they are acting prudently. I think we all feel bad about Powe, but no one else has signed him yet either. If you remember Davis and his agent were quite happy to get Davis to be able to be a free agent earlier while other second rounders had one more year on their deals. There are far too many players who have gotten sickening amounts of money and haven't produced then restricted free agents who appear to be getting the shaft.

[JHTruth]

Well it's not all on the C's I'm sure. BBD wants years before the new CBA in 2011 AND MLE per year type of money. Ain't happening, from the C's or otherwise. He either takes the QO offer this year and tries again next year or takes 2-3 million per for 3 years from us most likely. He's not getting MLE for 3 years or anything close. Realistically, he should seriously talk to the C's about a 3-year deal in the $3 million range. If I was his agent that's how I would look at it..

[Slartibartfast]

I'd definitely like to do a Yi-Baby swap at this point. As the GuyClinch-Sully debate highlighted, Baby is best in extended minutes, or rather, better than Moore/Scal in extended minutes. His jumper gets a little smoother, his feel for the game becomes more evident and his mostly mistake-free gameplay is more appreciated.

Yi' has a better chance at making an impact in short minutes, whether that be by rebounding, running the floor for dunks, exploiting a mismatch or hitting a 3.

[armageddon]

Going along with Sully and BfB, Davis basically reinvented himself last season. He (probably with the team's suggestion) moved his game out more and made his game more dependent on the mid range jumper. A necessity because he was not able to finish under the basket, he could get there, but couldn't finish.

This contributed to a poor start to the season. Once he became comfortable with his game and rebuilt his confidence his overall game settled in. However, he still had problems with getting back under the boards for offensive rebounds because he wasn't at the low blocks anymore, hopefully this improves.

Davis is more the guy we saw late in the season than early. It also easy to see that he will improve with experience and conditioning. If he does become a better overall player than Yi, the question is will he be a more effective player.

[TheOGJabroni]

I'd rather have BBD than Yi, but if a trade were to happen involving the two, I wouldn't be heartbroken I guess.

I would still much rather see Sean Williams in green though. Hometown guy, insane athleticism, and hopefully can straighten up and produce for us down the line.

[Dogen]

BBD is screwed, if by "screwed" you mean "left with no better option than signing a multimillion contract with a great franchise in a great city that has a great chance of winning more championships and has already done a great job of developing his talents."

Thank you.

[sully00]

Well it's not all on the C's I'm sure. BBD wants years before the new CBA in 2011 AND MLE per year type of money. Ain't happening, from the C's or otherwise. He either takes the QO offer this year and tries again next year or takes 2-3 million per for 3 years from us most likely. He's not getting MLE for 3 years or anything close. Realistically, he should seriously talk to the C's about a 3-year deal in the $3 million range. If I was his agent that's how I would look at it..

I think your numbers are in line with what he is going to get and probably worth the problem is Boston is doing what most teams do which is put out signals that they are going to match any offer but they don't actually turn around and give that offer to the player which is what the situation is here.

Originally the signals were anything 5 mil and under they would match but it sounds like they offered him a deal in the 2mil range. The problem is that this can drag on till Oct. when at some point there is a deadline for him to accept his QO.

Boston is clearly willing to let the market set his value, perhaps the addition of Shelden Williams will make teams think it is more likely that they will let him walk. Boston is creating the waiting game more than Davis is by posturing that they will match and at the same time not really coming with a strong offer. So Davis has to wait, I don't think it really seems to impact Boston much at all.