Dan Dickau invited to camp

[GuyClinch]

Well I can forgive Danny for the Dickau mistake - honestly his thinking was sound on this. PG is not really a defensive position. However Dickau defense was so bad it defies comprehension. Normally you can point to guy like Nash and see how his defense isn't great and he was still an MVP.

In this way Dickau IS special.. In all honesty if given a chance to do things on offense - he can do them. He can run the pick and roll. He has an okay handle and he can shoot. That being said I hope Hudson or Taylor beats him out. As for wondering how he can be so bad? It's his body type.

Dickau is a rare triple threat - he is small, slow and short. Guy is not only short in height but with his arms. He really is a just a regular joe build wise..

[sully00]

This article is much better:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ahe_ij6QQ63WiSRPjthw.rY5nYcB?slug=mc-garnettceltics091009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I am glad to hear Boston has at least taken a look at Taylor, I would think he'd have no problem beating out Hudson and Lue. I can't even believe Dickau is in consideration. He looks like he's 12 and is horrendous. Everyone in this thread is hyping up his offense, what did he ever do when he was here other than play terrible and look overmatched in every single aspect of the game? I don't ever remember him scoring a lot of points or setting up team mates or having any above average skills whatsoever. I hated this guy, along with Danny's other two acquisitions that year, Olowotaser and Scal.

This artilce is from 3 days ago, Taylor is the same player as Hudson there is no reason for us to bring in two guys who are not pgs to battle it out to be the only other pg on the roster besides Rondo.

Dickau was terrible here but in his career he has been a capable back up pg offensively, he actually creates a lot of offense on both ends of the floor.

[famadihana]

1. Mike Taylor is 2 years younger than Lester Hudson and has shown that he can be a decent back up point guard in the NBA. Lester Hudson's handle looked very questionable during the summer league games he played in--reminiscent of Tony Allen playing PG. To be fair, Hudson looked good on D and I'm not confident in assessing Taylor's D.

2. Dan Dickau is done. He's undersized, doesn't play defense, and it seems like he is constantly injured.

3. I'd prefer Lue to Dickau, but not by much. Once again, undersized and slowing down. Not to mention, I wouldn't want to have to look at his mug 82 games a year.

4. The guy I wouldn't mind picking up is Carlos Arroyo. Same age as Dickau, but isn't undersized and seems like he can actually manage a game and keep an offense running when Rondo is off the court.

Overall, whatever player we get for the back up PG is going to be flawed. When the players are similarly talented, why not go with Mike Taylor's youth?

[sully00]

Mike Taylor is as turnover prone as TA, he isn't a pg.

[famadihana]

Mike Taylor is as turnover prone as TA, he isn't a pg.

As a rookie in the NBA, Mike Taylor put up a 1.5 assist to turnover ratio.
As a 25 year old senior in the Ohio Valley Conference, Lester Hudson put up a 1.17 assist to turnover ratio.

It's not really close who is more turnover prone when you take into consideration the level of play of the leagues they were in. I mean, if you want someone to be an understudy for Eddie House, please, by all means, take Lester Hudson. But you're asking for problems if you expect him to consistently handle the ball and run an offense.

As far as Dan Dickau is concerned, what is going to hurt this team more? An extra turnover a game from the PG or constant penetration from the opposing team's PG when Dickau is in the game? The guy just can't guard anyone in this league.

The more and more I look at these potential PG pickups, the more I think we should just stick with Eddie House. As much as I'd like the Celts to have a legitimate back up PG, there just doesn't seem to be anyone worthwhile. At least with Eddie the team knows his weaknesses, there's chemistry, he hustles,he's a great shooter, and a fan favorite.

[buckner1976]

i think danny is just signing body for camp just for practices and such. maybe give hudson some comp for the 15th spot but i don't see him actually making the team. wouldn't be surprised if he signs man-crush bobby swift either for camp as well.

[sully00]

Mike Taylor is as turnover prone as TA, he isn't a pg.

As a rookie in the NBA, Mike Taylor put up a 1.5 assist to turnover ratio.
As a 25 year old senior in the Ohio Valley Conference, Lester Hudson put up a 1.17 assist to turnover ratio.

It was below 1.5 and that is terrible for a point guard. He put up 1.25 in the D league the year before.

Lester Hudson was 24 and while he had a 1.27 ratio he wasn't a PG, he was a player who scored 27 a game with a USG rate in the 30's.

But that doesn't really matter because my point is that right now neither is a pg we don't need to two guys who are not effective pgs battling it out to be the only other pg on the roster behind Rondo.

I am not sure that we need that guy, but at least have one guy who is a traditional pg to compete with Hudson so that we can see what will be more useful to the team.

I think this is already decided it will be Dickau, because he has the skill set and is willing to come in without a contract and compete for the spot against a guy who is making half as much money as him on a team over the tax.

[tlee324]

Dickau, offensively, could be a 6.5 to a 7.5 out of 10, which I think is pretty good for a backup PG... but his defense is so bad, it's like a 1 out of 10... He'll be designated as a FT shooter, or extremely limited minutes and probably next to nothing come playoff time.

[famadihana]

It was below 1.5 and that is terrible for a point guard. He put up 1.25 in the D league the year before.

ESPN has it at 1.5 http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/s ... yerId=3461 Certainly terrible for a PG, but I'd expect even worse from Lester Hudson.

Regardless, I don't want Dan Dickau's defense anywhere near this team.

[sully00]

It was below 1.5 and that is terrible for a point guard. He put up 1.25 in the D league the year before.

ESPN has it at 1.5 http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/s ... yerId=3461 Certainly terrible for a PG, but I'd expect even worse from Lester Hudson.

Regardless, I don't want Dan Dickau's defense anywhere near this team.

Why would you expect worse? I guess you should expect the same but why worse?

Dickau, offensively, could be a 6.5 to a 7.5 out of 10, which I think is pretty good for a backup PG... but his defense is so bad, it's like a 1 out of 10... He'll be designated as a FT shooter, or extremely limited minutes and probably next to nothing come playoff time.

I am not looking at this situation the same way as some are I guess. I am coming at this from the perspective that Hudson is the guy they want to make the team even if no other reason than he will cost them half as much money. They know him, they have had him in Boston all summer. The book seems to be that he is a plus defender and a guy who can get to the rim and shoot the 3.

So last week they bring in 3 guys for workouts. One is solid veteran back up PG in Lue who likely is not interested in trying to beat out some rook to earn a minimum deal. Another is a guy, Taylor, similar to the guy they have in camp already, it would at least seem Hudson passed that test. Then there is a Dickau who is a guy they have had here before so they know the kind of person he is, he is the best offensive option so he will provide a real challenge head to head with Hudson whose strength is on the defensive end, and he is willing to do what it takes to get back in the league.

Obviously Dan has some talent so maybe he blows them away, not likely, maybe he makes Hudson look bad in which case maybe they blow both of them out and go get Lue, or they decide that Hudson can do what neither Pruitt or TA could do which is defensively check pgs and provide solid ball handling and an offensive spark.