Could the Celtics land Dwade?

[DumbyTheWizard]

NO

[old rem]

Resign Rondo to a 3 year 30 million contract, and slightly less for ray allen. Then package rondo and allen plus draftpicks for wade before the trade deadline. Wade could handle the pg duties, pierce at shooting guard, then the frontline of rasheed, kg and perkins.

If the heat really thought they were gonna lose wade for nothing, they might pull the trigger on this. I don't think cleveland would entertain lebron offers at all. If rondo and allen are resigned to low budget deals then their contracts become especially valuable. They are a championship caliber backcourt for a good price.

In short...no, they can't land Wade.

how old is Ray Allen now? He's too short term to get much of a contract or be much of a chip. The Celts got him cheap because he's old + big $...and several years later......

Rondo,at $10 mill per goes from interesting to overpriced. He's a jack of all trades and an 11 ppg guy who's a bit disgruntled. He looks better than he is due to the GOF talents of Pierce + KG.

He sure as hell won't get you Wade and Ray adds little to the package...probably has more worth NOT extended.

Meanwhile.....Miami has Wade + Cap space, wants Boozer or Bosh and can likely get one of them. They have Wade + Beasley as bait....that and a popular belief that Miami weather in Jan is way better than Boston, NY,Toronto.....Miami only starts to consider a Wade S+T about this time NEXT year.

I guess, in Theory, there may be some way to send Pierce + Rondo + ? ... but chances are the Celtics would need to somewhat overpay.

[old rem]

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ld2gz9

BOS OUT: ray allen, rondo, bos 2012 pick
BOS IN: hinrich, wade

MIAMI OUT: Wade, filler (C.Quinn)
MIAMI IN: ray allen, rondo, bos 2012 pick

CHI OUT: hinrich
CHI IN: C.Quinn, TPE

hinrich
wade
pierce
kg
perkins

....Adds another layer of "Not Gonna" Hinrich's market value is a tad over-rated.....but Quinn?
step back and take a GOOD LOOK......Miami can get Hinrich for Quinn,or Rondo for D Wade?????

If that was the story, Miami just gets Hinrich cheap and KEEPS Wade.

[nasbahceltic]

Only way Wade happens is if he is staunchly opposed to heading back to Mia. All this talk of these guys leaving their teams in 2010 overlooks the fact that they would all be giving up $30 MILLION to do so. I don't care who you are or how much money you make in endorsements NOBODY gives up that kind of cash.

Just look at the history of star players leaving their teams through FA (hint - its almost zero). The only time big time players leave their teams is when that team doesn't want to sign them back for the money they're being offered on the open market (i.e. Rashard Lewis, Joe Johnson). I don't see Mia suddenly becoming afraid to re-up Wade to a max contract next summer outside of him suffering some catastrophic injury.

Now, if Wade is truly against signing back with Mia and wants to sign with a contender then maybe he and his agent are able to convince the Heat that its in both parties' interests to work out some sort of sign and trade and part amicably. In this highly unlikely scenario Bos does become a very attractive trade partner with Rondo as the bait.

All in all I wouldn't get my hopes up until you hear Wade come out and say "there is no way I'm signing back with the Heat next year."

[TheOGJabroni]

If we got DWade and Hinrich back, I will **** myself. That would be amazing. Hinrich is underrated. He can shoot and plays crazy D. That's perfect next to Wade.

[exculpatory]

First things first - We win 18 with our current team.

Likelihood/odds ratio is low for many of the reasons stated above.
BUT Allen & Rondo for Wade in summer 2010 would be hard to turn down.

I am focused on KG's return to KG 2008, and banner 18 - and of course my man the TRUTH passing 20K points this season, and achieving another second team ALL NBA at least!

GO GREEN FOREVER!!

PS. Biscuit - please come back with some positivity this year, and do not bring your endless negativity. Be rational and fair and even occasionally +!! Hope you had a nice summer, Joey.

Ex

[sully00]

First off nobody is talking about Wade leaving the heat through FA in this thread don't confuse **** for no reason. This is a trade.

Wade is clearly concerned about committing to the Heat. Beyond the roster questions is the issue of the franchises finances. Money is tight and for them to continue to build with Wade it is going to be huge money, Wade is going to be getting a deal over 100 mil and he is going to be looking for a running mate in the same neighborhood.

Does it make sense to match Wade and another player in his late 20's with the youth on Miami's roster? Especially at a price tag in the 32-40 mil a year range for two players. Or do you move Wade and use that money on younger stars that fit with the young players and maybe build a contender and stay under the lux tax.

Rondo isn't worth Wade, but is Rondo at 10 mil a season more valuable to Miami than Wade at 18-20 mil?

[stycool24]

Wade for Rondo???

You guys crack me up!!!!

You know how many offers heat will get if they are indeed trying to trade Wade. Wade = one of the best players in the NBA, top 4. Stop hallucinating. Wade will stay with the Heat, like most of the 2010 free agents.

[GuyClinch]

No one thought the C's could land KG either..

[sully00]

Wade for Rondo???

You guys crack me up!!!!

You know how many offers heat will get if they are indeed trying to trade Wade. Wade = one of the best players in the NBA, top 4. Stop hallucinating. Wade will stay with the Heat, like most of the 2010 free agents.

Why not save the sissy ass emoticons and be more specific troll.

Wade is one of the best players in the league and he is going on 28 years old. Sure it is always more likely a star stays with his franchise, and it will be even more difficult for him to leave through FA than a trade because the team he would be going to will be lacking the improved roster that would push Wade to leave FLA. But Miami has financial problems and its best talent outside of Wade is young.

These deals are about money as much as they are about talent and value. What do you think another team would give up for Dwayne Wade? It has to be a team that he will sign with. Every time a star of this level is dealt everyone scratches their head. The only time someone gave a up a fair package in the last 5 years was Riley for Shaq and that was because nobody realized how good Butler was until he got to Wash. All you can hope for is a young star and some draft picks. We dealt with this with Pierce, who maybe isn't Wade but he also isn't that far off. The best offers we got were #3 pick '05 (which would have been good) and expiring deals, Livingston and Maggette, and Miller and Nene.

The Rondo scenario is the best for Miami. Because he is an RFA he will only have a cap hold of 6 mil in place of Wade's max cap hold allowing them 10 mil more in cap space. They could avoid the max contract guys and go after and collect three or four second tier all stars and then extend Rondo.

I don't know what Miami's plan is, they may well re-sign Wade and add Amare but they would be capped out with about 5 guys on the roster, maybe they look to move Beasley for a 3rd star. Riley is great at this I just wonder if he isn't better off collecting a bunch of 25 year olds.

[Wade2k6]

Rondo >>>>>>> Chalmers

It's not a matter of giving away Wade, it could be a matter of getting Rondo instead of having Wade walk to the Bulls for nothing.

I'm just going to give my opinion on this from my POV (MIA fan obviously)

Yes Rondo>>> Chalmers, but Wade >>> Allen, Rondo.

First, even if the Heat were thinking of trading Wade why would they trade him to a team that's going to be a top 3-4 team in the league?

Second, Rondo and (an old) Allen is certainly not worth Wade. Riley could get much better deals (at least IMO) around the league then Rondo and Allen.

Last, Although Rondo is clearly a better player then Chalmers, Chalmers is a perfect fit next to Wade. He knows his role, plays good defense, and can knock down the 3 ball. I don't understand why the Heat would consider trading a top 3 player in the NBA who's just entering his prime for a PG who's a significantly worse player and an older and aging Allen.

And to answer Sully's question about who's worth more to the Heat Rondo at 10 million or Wade at the max.... Wade every single time. You cannot replace a player like Wade (unless it's LeBron or Kobe) and Rondo just simply isn't that type of player.

[Gant]

The way this is plausible is if Wade says he's absolutely leaving Miami no matter what. Then he tells the Heat you can either trade me where I want to go and get something, or I just leave and go somewhere else and you get nothing.

The Heat don't get to bargain much in that situation. They just say yes or no.

[Zin5]

I don't see Wade getting traded mid-season unless he makes it clear to the team to trade him. If we're going to get him, it'll be in the offseason and we work a sign and trade because Miami doesn't want to lose him for absolutely nothing (then an Allen/Rondo package would be acceptable, but Wade would have to want to come here).

[chas0x01]

Rondo >>>>>>> Chalmers

It's not a matter of giving away Wade, it could be a matter of getting Rondo instead of having Wade walk to the Bulls for nothing.

I'm just going to give my opinion on this from my POV (MIA fan obviously)

Yes Rondo>>> Chalmers, but Wade >>> Allen, Rondo.

First, even if the Heat were thinking of trading Wade why would they trade him to a team that's going to be a top 3-4 team in the league?

Second, Rondo and (an old) Allen is certainly not worth Wade. Riley could get much better deals (at least IMO) around the league then Rondo and Allen.

Last, Although Rondo is clearly a better player then Chalmers, Chalmers is a perfect fit next to Wade. He knows his role, plays good defense, and can knock down the 3 ball. I don't understand why the Heat would consider trading a top 3 player in the NBA who's just entering his prime for a PG who's a significantly worse player and an older and aging Allen.

And to answer Sully's question about who's worth more to the Heat Rondo at 10 million or Wade at the max.... Wade every single time. You cannot replace a player like Wade (unless it's LeBron or Kobe) and Rondo just simply isn't that type of player.

I agree which is why I would add 1 or 2 future 1st rounders. Rondo + Allen + 2 1st rounders for Wade and Chalmers seems about right.

[Rodrizzle]

I think you guys are grossly overrating Rondo here.
No way does Miami trade Wade for Rondo. Also Miami is more about saving money this season and its not so much a financial problem its that ownership doesnt want to exceed the luxury tax for a team which wont be a true title contender this season. If the Heat resign Wade and land another big name free agent you will see the team go over for a title contending team just like 2006.

[chakdaddy]

I think you guys are grossly overrating Rondo here.
No way does Miami trade Wade for Rondo. Also Miami is more about saving money this season and its not so much a financial problem its that ownership doesnt want to exceed the luxury tax for a team which wont be a true title contender this season. If the Heat resign Wade and land another big name free agent you will see the team go over for a title contending team just like 2006.

I disagree with this on most counts...

First, no way Miami trades Wade in the first place. They'll always have a decent shot at bringing him back and it would be absolutely cowardly to be so scared of losing him for nothing that they trade him on the cheap.

But, if for some bizarre reason they decided to trade him - Rondo + Ray would be about as good a deal as could be gotten for an impending FA like him, since the Celtics would be looking at the same risk of losing him as Miami would.

[nasbahceltic]

Hey I'm still in the camp that believes Mia will resign D-Wade to a max extension this summer (or some time before that), but the people saying that Rondo is an unrealistic package if Mia does indeed deal him need to look back on the history of deals for star players. Hint: the overwhelming majority are pretty one sided.

[sully00]

This is basketball trade not a player comparison. Everyone knows that Wade is more valuable than Rondo or Rondo and a year of Ray Allen.

But Miami fan has brought up the specific issue at hand. There is no way for them to extend Wade and bring in another big name and stay under the lux tax. If they go for say Lamarcus Aldridge that is 13.5 mil combined with Wade's 17 mil that is 31 mil to two guys and a looming tax of 65 mil. and it will get worse year after year.

As the revenue reduces the max contact starting points come down but the established players sill get compounded raises on max extensions. So new max deals could be 2 mil less than this season (11.5 mil instead of 13.5 for guys with 6 years or less if revenue drops 15%) but Wade is still starting at 17 mil.

Rondo does not replace Wade. But Rondo instead of Wade allows them to still go out and get two younger max contract guys and attempt to build a contender with a more balanced attack and possibly do it under the tax.

Obviously Wade could just take less, but that just doesn't seem likely. Wade is certainly Miami's best chance to win another title but Wade and staying under the lux tax is not going to lead to anything but an angry D-Wade and a trade demand.