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Re: i'm envisioning a baby, powe fight... 

Post#21 » by GuyClinch » Fri Oct 2, 2009 4:51 am

And just for the record BBD would beat the **** out of Leon, lets be real. The dude is training as UFC fighter right now and could probably bench press anyone in the NBA under the table. He was body slamming shaq when he was in middle school.


Doesn't matter - though you rarely see it an NBA guy that can throw a punch will just cheapshot the other dude. If Powe tagged him and BBD didn't see it coming - its all over. In the NBA it's all about the first strike because there isn't going to be another one for the most part.

Also UFC is a sport - its not "real" fighting. IRL you never get to that ground and pound stuff because other people would either have broken it up - or would come and kick you in the head..(while your on the ground). Not to mention that UFC fighters are prohibited from doing a ton of deadly dirty moves like throat strikes..

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Post#22 » by Scalamental » Fri Oct 2, 2009 5:44 am

GuyClinch wrote:
And just for the record BBD would beat the **** out of Leon, lets be real. The dude is training as UFC fighter right now and could probably bench press anyone in the NBA under the table. He was body slamming shaq when he was in middle school.


Doesn't matter - though you rarely see it an NBA guy that can throw a punch will just cheapshot the other dude. If Powe tagged him and BBD didn't see it coming - its all over. In the NBA it's all about the first strike because there isn't going to be another one for the most part.

Also UFC is a sport - its not "real" fighting. IRL you never get to that ground and pound stuff because other people would either have broken it up - or would come and kick you in the head..(while your on the ground). Not to mention that UFC fighters are prohibited from doing a ton of deadly dirty moves like throat strikes..

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+1 Powe doesn't play around.
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Re: i'm envisioning a baby, powe fight... 

Post#23 » by keltickings » Fri Oct 2, 2009 6:47 am

I can't say your vision is wrong or won't happen. I see a heated competitive battle in the playoffs where both will be in each others faces when they square off but I DON'T WANT to see a Fight Fight. A hardcore physical and mental battle I embrace but nothing dirty I hope.

They have a history of first big man off the bench competitiveness and have gone at it before in practice as we all know so it could happen. IT COULD.
But I have too much respect for Leon for his contribution to #17 and he is a class act, so I would hope our BIG MEN team leaders would step in and squash any ugliness that might occur. That means you KG and PERK! Paul, Ray, and Rondo let your voice be heard but stay clear if you know what i mean.
If Leon was not expected to return from injury around JAN-FEB he would still be on our team and there would be no Sheldon Williams.

Pushing, Shoving, Agro-Boxing-out/ Backing-Down/ Posting-Up, and Bird-like trash talk is expected and damn I look forward to it. BUT...
A Fight Fight, I would like to think they both have enough respect for each other to not go there.

With that said, if it happens, I will say--- GOOD CALL!!!
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Post#24 » by cisco » Fri Oct 2, 2009 12:27 pm

LenBiasBaller wrote:
FeedReed wrote:true but emotion will be running high and u know baby will antagonize it. let's face it, baby's the reason powe isn't in boston anymore and i don't think that sits well with him.


A knee injury on a team with a short window of opportunity is the reason why Powe is not in Boston.

A healthy Powe would have made the cut over Davis.

Neither one of them are fighters. They get under peoples skin by playing hard, diving and taking charges but neither one of them react to it when its the opponent doing it to them.


Doubt that. A healthy Powe wasn't even getting more run than Baby, because Baby was more versatile and Powe couldn't shoot a jumper to save his life. That being said, I wish good luck to Powe.
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Post#25 » by FeedReed » Fri Oct 2, 2009 3:03 pm

cisco wrote:
LenBiasBaller wrote:
FeedReed wrote:true but emotion will be running high and u know baby will antagonize it. let's face it, baby's the reason powe isn't in boston anymore and i don't think that sits well with him.


A knee injury on a team with a short window of opportunity is the reason why Powe is not in Boston.

A healthy Powe would have made the cut over Davis.

Neither one of them are fighters. They get under peoples skin by playing hard, diving and taking charges but neither one of them react to it when its the opponent doing it to them.


Doubt that. A healthy Powe wasn't even getting more run than Baby, because Baby was more versatile and Powe couldn't shoot a jumper to save his life. That being said, I wish good luck to Powe.


give me a break, powe is the perfect 4, the charles oakley kind've 4, the rebounder the celtics needed. who cares that baby is more versatile if he can't do anything good. sheed doesn't wanna rebound man, that's the thing, baby and sheed playing together doesn't excite me at all.
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Re: i'm envisioning a baby, powe fight... 

Post#26 » by SichtingLives » Fri Oct 2, 2009 8:51 pm

FeedReed wrote:give me a break, powe is the perfect 4, the charles oakley kind've 4, the rebounder the celtics needed. who cares that baby is more versatile if he can't do anything good. sheed doesn't wanna rebound man, that's the thing, baby and sheed playing together doesn't excite me at all.


Really? Our bench production has been pretty erratic the last two years. I'd be plenty excited if we knew they could be trusted to hold a lead every night. As for Leon, I really like his game but calling him the perfect 4? Come on now.

You're just a being negative Nelly and need to cheer up. Having competent players on the bench is a good thing, man.
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Post#27 » by FeedReed » Fri Oct 2, 2009 8:58 pm

yea true, i am a little negative, i just really liked what leon brought to the table because it was the garbage work noone else wanted to do. fighting for rebounds, playing good d, a true power forward, perfect is an exaggeration. i'll also admit i never liked baby although i warmed up to him a little after the shot against the magic. i mean what does baby do really well, worthy of even a contract? if u can enlighten me i'll listen but i've watched him for 2 years and haven't seen much.
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Post#28 » by LenBiasBaller » Fri Oct 2, 2009 9:02 pm

DunkOnFace wrote:
FeedReed wrote:give me a break, powe is the perfect 4, the charles oakley kind've 4, the rebounder the celtics needed. who cares that baby is more versatile if he can't do anything good. sheed doesn't wanna rebound man, that's the thing, baby and sheed playing together doesn't excite me at all.


Really? Our bench production has been pretty erratic the last two years. I'd be plenty excited if we knew they could be trusted to hold a lead every night. As for Leon, I really like his game but calling him the perfect 4? Come on now.

You're just a being negative Nelly and need to cheer up. Having competent players on the bench is a good thing, man.


Leon + Sheed would have been a better combination IMO than Sheed and BBD. Leon is a back to the basket player that was abusing opposing teams big men. Sheed and BBD prefer to take outside shots most of the time.

You guys must have really forgotten how good Powe was before the injury. You must have forgot how he was running the length of the court in the finals vs. the lakers and dunkin on people. He was abusing the lakers in the finals. Don't get me wrong I am happy with BBD and he has the higher BBIQ and a better jumper (even though its suspect) but Powe at the end of the day was better before the injuries.

They are different in a lot of ways and neither one is WAY better than the other. I liked having both of them bc they bring different stuff to the table. It does not matter anymore bc we have BBD and Powe is recovering from ACL surgery and may never be the same player.
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Post#29 » by SichtingLives » Fri Oct 2, 2009 11:46 pm

FeedReed wrote:yea true, i am a little negative, i just really liked what leon brought to the table because it was the garbage work noone else wanted to do. fighting for rebounds, playing good d, a true power forward, perfect is an exaggeration. i'll also admit i never liked baby although i warmed up to him a little after the shot against the magic. i mean what does baby do really well, worthy of even a contract? if u can enlighten me i'll listen but i've watched him for 2 years and haven't seen much.


I was much higher on Leon than Baby going into last season, but imo Baby made a lot of positive strides throughout the year. He's still limited in some aspects and is nowhere near being considered a prototypical big man, but I take it is a a good sign that he's steadily improved since he's entered the league. I expect him to continue improving, just as I've come to expect Perk to polish a different aspect of his game every year. I don't take it as a given, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until I feel like he's not making anymore strides in his game.

I loved Leon and baby playing together because they both played with the tenaciousness and extra effort that not every guy in the league plays with often enough. I recall both of them, not just Leon, throwing their body around, diving after loose balls and trying to draw charges on a regular basis. Contrast with Mikki Moore or Patrick O'Bryant, but that's not really the point. I had never considered Leon wearing anything other than green any time soon, but I also didn't anticipate him tearing his ACL right before his contract was up. It was a matter of crappy timing more than anything else. I can't fault Glen Davis for Leon's injury.

LenBiasBaller wrote:Leon + Sheed would have been a better combination IMO than Sheed and BBD. Leon is a back to the basket player that was abusing opposing teams big men. Sheed and BBD prefer to take outside shots most of the time.

You guys must have really forgotten how good Powe was before the injury. You must have forgot how he was running the length of the court in the finals vs. the lakers and dunkin on people. He was abusing the lakers in the finals. Don't get me wrong I am happy with BBD and he has the higher BBIQ and a better jumper (even though its suspect) but Powe at the end of the day was better before the injuries.

They are different in a lot of ways and neither one is WAY better than the other. I liked having both of them bc they bring different stuff to the table. It does not matter anymore bc we have BBD and Powe is recovering from ACL surgery and may never be the same player.


I agree, a healthy Leon and Sheed would've fit together better. I still think Sheed and Baby will fit together fine. I recall our lack of a true BU C coming back to bite us in the butt a few times between 08 and 09. The only time we were sufficiently sized with a skilled BU C was PJ Brown, which of course was worked out well but it wasn't for long. Rasheed more than solves that problem now. The problem was that either Leon or baby was often facing a mismatch when they were both court. They made up for it by both being active and playing relatively smart, but one of them had to go. If Leon were healthy, I can't say he would've been the one to go instead of Glen Davis, but it didn't go down that way.

I'm going to wait and see what shape Glen Davis is in and what difference it makes on his game and/or how he plays the game before I draw any more conclusions on him. I thought it was preposterous to consider that he could ever play the 3, but if he's in as good of shape as people are saying, than who knows what he'll be capable of? Maybe something nobody ever seen out of him, maybe things he's never been able to do before. Just keep in mind Sheed and Baby haven't played a game together yet so it's a bit premature to say how their chemistry will be.

Also, I haven't forgetting how much of a beast Leon was for us. He wasn't automatic though, he went through a pretty substantial slump of his own last season.

What it all boils down to is that I've had enough of the offseason. The moves, the speculation, the anticipation....I can't take it anymore!!! I need to see some basketball already. :hoop:
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Re: i'm envisioning a baby, powe fight... 

Post#30 » by humblebum » Sat Oct 3, 2009 12:34 am

First off I don't envision a fight between these two happening for the simple fact that they're too unimportant in the grand scheme of Cavs vs. Celtics to be causing all kinds of drama. Doc and Mike Brown will sit these dudes down long before they get to fighting with each other.

In regards to Powe vs. Davis... this has clearly been one of the most long-standing debates on this board. The thing is that Davis is more of a jack of all trades master of none type whereas Leon had two real plus skills interior play (rebounding and finishing) and one on one defense/charge taking. Davis ultimately has the higher upside potential due to his lack of physical conditioning (lots of room for improvement here) and his higher basketball IQ. Ultimately Davis is the type of player who can develop into the ultimate professional who understands the game, who's unafraid to take big shots and make big plays, and a guy who'll do all of the little things that help you win like set screens, body up bigger players, make the right pass, drive, or shot. He's a really smart player and ultimately I think that Rasheed and Davis together is a duo that can really pass the ball spread the floor and also defend well in the team concept.
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Post#31 » by GuyClinch » Sat Oct 3, 2009 2:25 am

I'd like to know why standing around on the perimeter and bricking J's is evidence of "high BBIQ." Davis is a poor's mans Antione Walker. That's why his fans love him. Powe OTOH can score in the post. He just doesn't finish - he can create shots and finish around the rim. He can hit free throws. He can really hurt teams. Sadly we might be on the recieving end of that this year. Not keeping Powe was Danny's only offseason mistake..

As for the fighting you REALLY think a guy who was crying on the sidelines is going to pick a fight with his former teamate - a guy who grew up on the streets..Powe doesn't want to kill his career and BBD isn't the fightin type. This isn't the 80's anymore. The penalties for fighting are harsh. Hell Ron Artest cost himself a ton of money with his shennigans. It's just not worth it.

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Post#32 » by FeedReed » Sat Oct 3, 2009 2:41 am

lol @ davis supposedly having this high basketball iq, if he has it, he hasn't shown it yet. he's a extremely poor mans antoine, with the fake hustle of ricky davis. f'n ainge man, he's made so many good moves, but this one was terrible.

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