Marc Spears says no Rondo extension

[TheOGJabroni]

No I think this is a different discussion. I have kind of a hold on to your hat feel about this. This was not the plan, as far as offering Rondo a deal, it seemed everyone was content to just go into the season as is. Obviously Duffy and Rondo may be trying to get Boston to counter but, it doesn't feel that way.

I just don't think this organization values the "true pg" the way many fans and even media do. I just see that situation in GS with Ellis and wonder if Rondo isn't a Warrior in a week. But we will see.

Rondo traded to GSW in a week? I will be completely stunned if that occurs. If we were to do a deal with GSW, it better not be a Rondo for Ellis straight up. I'd hope we'd somehow get Curry, Morrow, and/or Jackson incorporated in the deal as well. Just Ellis for Rondo is awful though. We know this team works, do not mess with it unless we are positively getting more talent back in return. Rondo is NOT in the driver's seat. Even if he performs phenomenally, there's no way he has a better season than CP3 or D-Will. So at the very, very best he becomes the third best PG. And if he was paid accordingly, it would still be similar to the offer that Rondo and his agent are asking for. So clearly, we wait it out.

[Captain_Caveman]

Monta vs Rondo is pretty close. Seen a lot of both. Monta more talented, especially offensively. Rondo one of the smartest young players while Monta one of the dumbest. Monta not a "capable defender" by any stretch, but certainly not a guy that defenses can ignore like they do with Rondo. I don't think Monta is particularly overpaid, but neither are guys you build around, IMO. The three screws in Monta's ankle scare me a bit, as it appears that he has lost a bit of a step. Both players appear to have a bit of diva in them.

It would be interesting to see how each other would perform in each other's shoes. Really can't answer that at all.

[ParticleMan]

I agree that I think Rondo is worth $10mil per. I think Duffy knows Ainge would go up to $10mil. But Duffy seems unwilling to budge.

A short time ago you said he was not worth only $8 million.
[Rondo was worth less than Calderon and Calderon was overpaid.]

Why the change of heart?

WTF DUDE?!?

i NEVER said he was worth less than Calderon. show me that post. I said Calderon was overpaid. i also said Rondo is not worth the max RIGHT NOW.

i've always said Rondo is worth $10 mil.

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[ParticleMan]

i would definitely not trade rondo for monta. monta is a nice player but he is a pure SG. plus he is overpaid, and seems to have a serious attitude problem.

but i do agree with the idea that PG isn't a position that is hugely important in today's NBA, or on our team. we could get by with someone who was a notch down from Rondo, but had other skills like being able to hit a jump shot, and was paid much less.

in other words i think we could find a capable rondo replacement at the MLE. not quite as good, but those resources could be used in other ways.

[TheOGJabroni]

On a side note, I don't remember exactly what the offer with NJ was involving Rondo and Harris - but if we were absolutely set on trading Rondo, I would much rather have Harris than Ellis on this team. On the C's, I think Harris would shine, especially defensively. That used to be his specialty. On a team like the C's, I'm sure we'd see that skill again.

New Jersey was also one of the teams reportedly interested in Baby.

I wonder if we could somehow get a Rondo/Baby for Harris/T-Will, and one of their backup PG's done (Alston or Dooling - preferably Dooling since he is bigger and does not have any known issues with any C's player ...Eddie I'm looking at you ...). If we sign/trade for a vet big from FA, then that would be a trade that could help us potentially.

Perk / Sheed
KG / Sheed / (vet)
Pierce / Daniels
Ray / House
Harris / Dooling

[Mahoney_jr]

I still think we can get Rondo for 5/50, maybe 5/55 then. But we have the chance to retain him to good enough conditions. On the plus side we have the flexibility to make a blockbuster trade during the season (unlikely though).

[sully00]

Just a couple of facts to go with my comparisons with Ellis.

Billups did not crack 4 assists per game till his 5th season at 25 years old. Has never avg 4 rpg, has never shot 45% from the field, and never avg 19ppg.

3 years in and 23 years old Ellis has done all of this.

Ellis played off the ball for a lot of that time with a pretty prolific pg and assists are a pretty subjective stat, you put him in Boston as the PG and he will give 6 apg no doubt.

What is special about Ellis is that he has shown the ability to score the ball with a low usage and turnover rate. He scores 20 ppg using as many possessions as Rondo does scoring 12. He is in a bad situation that doesn't mean he isn't a great young player. He is nothing like a Marbury or Iverson, Gilbert Arenas maybe.

Wolves do yourself a favor run the win score formula for Rondo in 08-09 and Ellis in '07-'08 and tell me you don't come up with 7.15 for Ellis and 6.9 for Rondo.

[Celts17Pride]

I still think we can get Rondo for 5/50, maybe 5/55 then.

Tell that to his agent.

[tombattor]

I still think we can get Rondo for 5/50, maybe 5/55 then.

Tell that to his agent.

You mean Wolves2011.

[Wolves2011]

This is a warning for instigating. Keep it up because more will be coming. canman

[sully00]

He pretty clearly said that Rondo is not worth more than 10 mil and Calderon is not worth 8.2 mil. He thinks that Rondo is better than Calderon and worth more. I guess the case is closed but you are wrong again.

[Wolves2011]

What is special about Ellis is that he has shown the ability to score the ball with a low usage and turnover rate. He scores 20 ppg using as many possessions as Rondo does scoring 12.

win score is only offense....

Wins produced - which you had originally cited and win share both have defensive components.... so Ellis should show better

as for your comment above...

shots per game for Ellis

2008/9 - 17.2
2007/8 - 15.1
2006/7 - 13.1
2005/6 - 6.5

Rondo:
2008/9 10.3
2007/8 11.1
2006/7 8.8

Low usage rate?? -- above

if Rondo had 17 shots a game, even if his shooting percentage dropped to 45% from 51% from last season, he averages 18 points per game... [he also gets free throws] = plus he plays defense, passes, rebounds etc....

Low turnover rate -- ELLIS DOESN"T PASS - GET ASSISTS.... if you never pass, turnovers should be lower....

and if you don't pass, you're not a PG!!!!!!!!!!!

Again

Ellis asst and turnover stats for his whole career:

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2008/9 - 3.8
2007/8 - 3.7
2006/7 - 4.4
2005/6 - 3.2

Turnover for Ellis career:

2008/9 - 2.7
2007/8 - 2.0
2006/7 - 3.0
2005/6 - 2.4

His assist to turnover ratio has always been awful....

[Bluewhale]

I agree when Rondo ask 60M+, it is safe to wait next summer. Celtics won't pay much more than that.

But I don't feel that easy about Ellis. Nothing wrong for his on court performance. But the off court behavior really scares me.

[GregB]

He pretty clearly said that Rondo is not worth more than 10 mil and Calderon is not worth 8.2 mil. He thinks that Rondo is better than Calderon and worth more. I guess the case is closed but you are wrong again.

LOL Exactly. Reading comprehension FTW!

One good thing about not completing an extension is we don't have to worry about complacency from Rondo do to his fat extension.

[GuyClinch]

I think Ellis is overpaid just like Rondo. We should get a guy like Brandon Roy or Joe Johnson and have them play PG. Ellis is small and slight - and relies mostly on his speed. I'd prefer a bigger stronger type of PG.

Pete