Trade Idea w/ GS and DAL

[hairybyrd]

Let me preface this by saying I hope Rondo reaches a deal with the C's, but...

If Ainge is unable to sign Rondo to an extension I think he'll trade him by the deadline. Several teams will be able to offer max contracts in the summer and if he and Ainge can't come to an agreement now, I doubt they'll see eye to eye then. It would be tough to trade Rondo alone; Allen, I think, is the obvious choice to be moved with Rondo if he loses favor with the team after not re-signing. If Rondo doesn't resign there could be some interesting trade possibilities. Here's one idea...

BOS gets Josh Howard, Anthony Morrow and Monta Ellis (if you're not big on Ellis then Stephen Curry and Speedy Claxton could be substituted here, this would also save a lot of money since Curry will be on his rookie deal for 3-4 years and Speedy will become a free agent and released upon arrival).

GS gets Rondo, Giddens and Matt Carroll

DAL gets Ray Allen

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=yg4ab7j

Assuming Rondo does not re-sign, is this a fair trade? While it may not make Boston better this year, it gives them even more depth and some added youth. The money it would cost to re-sign Allen and Rondo would be absorbed from Ellis' contract and the re-signing of Howard and Morrow. Including Curry in the trade rather than Ellis saves a lot of money but Curry's inexperience could kill the Celtics title run this year. I'm not sure if it's worth it because the team is playing so well but, this trade or something like could be a very good long-term move. Ainge is an offensive-minded GM so as much as he's thinking about what to counter-offer Rondo, he's probably thinking about his value on the trade front.

So, BOS does this trade or something like it only if they decide not to give Rondo the money he wants. Otherwise, Ainge has no reason to mess with a good thing. The most obvious concern with this trade is the team's point guard play but it's really not as bad as it may appear. Ellis is better than advertised and Daniels and House are underrated at the position. We could also use Hudson more or insert Lue into the lineup. A starting backcourt of Ellis and Daniels is interesting to me because neither player would be labeled the "point guard". The ball would go to the guy farthest up the court and he sets up the offense. Under this scenario, our 2nd string would also be much improved with Sheed, Shelden/Baby, Howard, Morrow, House/Lue. That lineup would be competitive with the starting fives of several teams. Most importantly, we add 3 young pieces while giving up just 1.

GS does it because they get the best player in the trade. Rondo would give this team exactly what it's lacking - everything.

DAL does it because Allen is better than Howard. They trade a younger player for an older one but Allen could be really helpful in the Mavs playoff run. And they get rid of Carroll's awful contract.

[old rem]

IMO.....Ellis is the best player in this. Morrow is VERY big in GSW's plans and should be starting once Jackson gets traded. The first is a no. Curry for Rondo? There...the issue is what does Rondo cost SIGNED because GSW will not hand him a jumbo deal....and if he IS signed at,say a flat $8 mill x4 ....do the Curry+Claxton deals match?

Monta IS a very good + proven SG,is a good PG who's been teased with the role,but Nellie can't commit it seems though when Monta really GOT to be the PG, he did VERY well. Mid game shifts from SG to PG and back, he does not 'reprogram" on the fly to being the playmaker. Given the PG job,without Jackson as a ball dominant point F, Ellis can be among the NBA's top PG's,higher ceiling than Rondo or Curry.
Obviously GSW says NO to Giddens/Carroll who compete for 5th string SG and are quite a waste of $. Dallas...as obvious...won't do J Howard for Ray who's getting old and is just a big expire. The Mavs showed NO interest in using JOHO to "expire" Carroll.

Very unrealistic...but...make the call,perhaps you get lucky.

[Wolves2011]

Let me preface this by saying I hope Rondo reaches a deal with the C's, but...

If Ainge is unable to sign Rondo to an extension I think he'll trade him by the deadline. Several teams will be able to offer max contracts in the summer and if he and Ainge can't come to an agreement now, I doubt they'll see eye to eye then. It would be tough to trade Rondo alone; Allen, I think, is the obvious choice to be moved with Rondo if he loses favor with the team after not re-signing. If Rondo doesn't resign there could be some interesting trade possibilities. Here's one idea...

BOS gets Josh Howard, Anthony Morrow and Monta Ellis (if you're not big on Ellis then Stephen Curry and Speedy Claxton could be substituted here, this would also save a lot of money since Curry will be on his rookie deal for 3-4 years and Speedy will become a free agent and released upon arrival).

GS gets Rondo, Giddens and Matt Carroll

DAL gets Ray Allen

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=yg4ab7j

Assuming Rondo does not re-sign, is this a fair trade? While it may not make Boston better this year, it gives them even more depth and some added youth. The money it would cost to re-sign Allen and Rondo would be absorbed from Ellis' contract and the re-signing of Howard and Morrow. Including Curry in the trade rather than Ellis saves a lot of money but Curry's inexperience could kill the Celtics title run this year. I'm not sure if it's worth it because the team is playing so well but, this trade or something like could be a very good long-term move. Ainge is an offensive-minded GM so as much as he's thinking about what to counter-offer Rondo, he's probably thinking about his value on the trade front.

So, BOS does this trade or something like it only if they decide not to give Rondo the money he wants. Otherwise, Ainge has no reason to mess with a good thing. The most obvious concern with this trade is the team's point guard play but it's really not as bad as it may appear. Ellis is better than advertised and Daniels and House are underrated at the position. We could also use Hudson more or insert Lue into the lineup. A starting backcourt of Ellis and Daniels is interesting to me because neither player would be labeled the "point guard". The ball would go to the guy farthest up the court and he sets up the offense. Under this scenario, our 2nd string would also be much improved with Sheed, Shelden/Baby, Howard, Morrow, House/Lue. That lineup would be competitive with the starting fives of several teams. Most importantly, we add 3 young pieces while giving up just 1.

GS does it because they get the best player in the trade. Rondo would give this team exactly what it's lacking - everything.

DAL does it because Allen is better than Howard. They trade a younger player for an older one but Allen could be really helpful in the Mavs playoff run. And they get rid of Carroll's awful contract.

The celtics chances of getting a championship when bringing in two new starters, at the trading deadline, is very low. For that reason, I doubt it gets done. Ainge has already decided to "go for it" at least for this season. If he was going to break up the Celtics core he'd have done it last summer, to give new players a chance to jell. If the Celtics are having an "historic" season, and you broke them up KG, Pierce, Wallace etc would have "conniptions". The only way a trade of Ray and Rondo is possible is if the Celtics know they can't win - season ending injury to KG, Pierce etc......

I also don't think the talent is balanced, but don't want to get into that...

[kmgarnett21]

I still don't get why so many people want to trade 2/5 of our starting lineup when we're most likely going to be in the ECF at least, and probably the Finals, with the squad we have now. I know we're looking towards the future too, but you don't trade a sure Finals appearance for an iffy trade.

I think the only way we trade Rondo or Ray or any of our key contributors is if the offer on the table is heavily in our favor.

[Captain_Caveman]

Dude... I like Morrow and Allen and all, but that trade would be asinine.

Nothing personal to you, just a bad idea.

[captain green]

nope I could handle a decent trade for one of the starters but not two.. and I want no part of 11 mil contract (monta) if were not willing to dish that out to rondo then I don't want to for monta period.. I think we will ride it out this year with what we got and see what remains with the extensions later.
I'd like to keep ray and rondo but it seems more and more unlikely. Rondo doesn't want 11 and danny doesn't want to pay 10.5. Ray will want more than danny wants to give and next year perk is up for extension too. I'm starting to feel as if this year is the end all be all, because no Rondo and ray extension and a one year rental of daniels and so on.. It's sad but this is a business and we don't work for the celts.
Jst wished we get Rondo and Ray's deals done and sign eddie and daniels to 3 year deals as well..

[SonicYouth34]

I'd do it only if we keep Rondo and have nothing to do with Ellis. Ellis is not a PG now and will never be one. Rondo is also better.

But Morrow...I'd sell the farm for that kid. He's gonna be a stud. With a stroke like that, he's gonna be a Michael Redd type player.

[Hemingway]

This is a truly terrible deal, and one that is terrible on a few levels I think.

First, our chances of winning a title this year and next go drastically down. We have one of the all time greatest teams ever assembled, we are not going to break that up for 2 marginal stars.

2ndly, It doesn't really help us out financially. If you don't want to over pay Rondo, why over pay Ellis? There is a good chance that no one offers Rondo a max deal next summer. No one will offer it until Wade, Bost and LBJ are off the table. Then Rondo will wait for it and teams with the room will sign cheaper players so that they don't lose out.

3rdly this doesn't really extent our window. Ellis and Howard are not gonna carry a team in 4 years.

[hairybyrd]

Haha, so I guess this trade idea didn't go over too well. That's OK, I'm just a little surprised by the resounding no. I was trying to think outside the box IF RONDO DOESN'T RE-SIGN - that was a huge qualifier - considering we could have some problems next summer retaining our guys AND getting younger. Just not gonna happen. But, you guys are right about this type of trade killing our title hopes this year. Like I said in the original post, I'd only go through with a trade like that if it was obvious that Rondo would not re-sign so, take it for what it's worth. The condition of this trade idea was overlooked by everyone for some reason. I hope everything works out and we re-sign Rondo for a reasonable price.

How about this trade w/ only Golden State...

Big Baby for Morrow + filler. Is there any variation of this deal that both sides might agree on? The Warriors are real thin up-front and we could use the athleticism. However, based on the comments so far, it looks like Morrow is overvalued so I think the W's would be less likely to consent. We couldn't trade Big Baby until Dec. 15 anyway. Thoughts?

[SonicYouth34]

Big Baby for Morrow + filler. Is there any variation of this deal that both sides might agree on? The Warriors are real thin up-front and we could use the athleticism. However, based on the comments so far, it looks like Morrow is overvalued so I think the W's would be less likely to consent. We couldn't trade Big Baby until Dec. 15 anyway. Thoughts?

If we could get that for Baby I'd poop my pants. But GS loves Morrow and I'd doubt they'd trade him for Davis, even if he's a good fit as a jump shooting big man that can't rebound.

[hairybyrd]

Big Baby for Morrow + filler. Is there any variation of this deal that both sides might agree on? The Warriors are real thin up-front and we could use the athleticism. However, based on the comments so far, it looks like Morrow is overvalued so I think the W's would be less likely to consent. We couldn't trade Big Baby until Dec. 15 anyway. Thoughts?

If we could get that for Baby I'd poop my pants. But GS loves Morrow and I'd doubt they'd trade him for Davis, even if he's a good fit as a jump shooting big man that can't rebound.

It looks like me and you are are really high on Morrow. I actually read the Baby-for-Morrow swap on the Warriors board a few months ago after Brandan Wright injured his shoulder so, who knows, maybe they would consider it. He'll be shelved for the entire season and the W's seem to have 5 too many shooting guards every year. Maybe management is unable to unload SJax and decides it won't spend the money to sign Morrow to a long-term contract when his salary runs out at season's end, I don't know, crazier things have happened, and their management is one of the worst. I would love to see Morrow play for the C's as he would be the perfect backup to Ray Allen moving forward but, the Celts just don't have much to offer outside of the starting 5. A third team may need to get involved to make the numbers work. If it's a two team swap then Big Baby and a #1 for Morrow is the most realistic trade I can come up with. Too bad it couldn't even be proposed until December 15.

There are some interesting trade possibilities but it looks like most people would prefer a minor shake-up rather than a major one so trading a starter appears less likely. The problem is that the Celtics just don't have a good combination of talent and salary that might be appealing to Golden State. The only way we could unload expiring garbage is if GS decides to liquidate and trade everyone not named Curry and Randolph. What do you think, what's your trade limit to get Anthony Morrow? Anything more than Baby and a #1? McHale and Bird have already helped Danny, maybe Don Nelson will join in the giving around Christmastime.