Lakers vs. Boston: Lakers superior roster is a myth

[GuyClinch]

Well we all have our itches in our teams now dont we sammy boy............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GXgFC8q32QTonyMontana

Yeah nice try...LMAO. The C's made Sasha cry. KG made BBD cry. It's not the same thing at all.

[TonyMontana]

Well we all have our itches in our teams now dont we sammy boy............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GXgFC8q32QTonyMontana

Yeah nice try...LMAO. The C's made Sasha cry. KG made BBD cry. It's not the same thing at all.

Nice try for what?? ........ Brah Im the last Laker fan thats going to argue that Sasha is a itch so where are we go with this. WHo cares who made who cry. Are you kidding me? They are both little panzzies if you ask me. Its just yours is a BIG BABY and ours is a shemale.....

[exculpatory]

Great OP, Sam. How are you? You and I were always right. Give Paul some real pros to play with, and he said he would win us a 'ship and he sure did. He outplayed Lebron the superhuman in May 2008, he totally outplayed the very talented criminal in June 2008, and was the FINALS MVP! He continues to be vastly underrated, but there is zero doubt that the gap between the Truth and Kobe is much smaller than the blowhards/buttkissers at ESPN, casual fans, and Faker fans believe. And as far as clutchness is concerned in the last few minutes, there is NO GAP BETWEEN THE TRUTH AND KOBE.

Melo is an awesome baller and is maturing more every year, but wake me up when he has accomplished 1/5 as much as Paul has in his career, and when his offensive and defensive game becomes as complete as Paul's.

Paul will pass 20K points this year, he will be second team All Pro at least again, he will earn his 8th All Star team, and he will lead us to Number 18 this year. For the record, in response to the guy blowing smoke earlier in this thread, KG needs Paul as much as Paul needs KG. And we all know who leads our team during crunch time - the motherfrigging TRUTH.

And Sam, do not bother responding to people who do not know the difference between the words, "accept" and "except".

Ex

[Anklebreaker702]

Great OP, Sam. How are you? You and I were always right. Give Paul some real pros to play with, and he said he would win us a 'ship and he sure did. He outplayed Lebron the superhuman in May 2008, he totally outplayed the very talented criminal in June 2008, and was the FINALS MVP! He continues to be vastly underrated, but there is zero doubt that the gap between the Truth and Kobe is much smaller than the blowhards/buttkissers at ESPN, casual fans, and Faker fans believe. And as far as clutchness is concerned in the last few minutes, there is NO GAP BETWEEN THE TRUTH AND KOBE.

Melo is an awesome baller and is maturing more every year, but wake me up when he has accomplished 1/5 as much as Paul has in his career, and when his offensive and defensive game becomes as complete as Paul's.

Paul will pass 20K points this year, he will be second team All Pro at least again, he will earn his 8th All Star team, and he will lead us to Number 18 this year. For the record, in response to the guy blowing smoke earlier in this thread, KG needs Paul as much as Paul needs KG. And we all know who leads our team during crunch time - the motherfrigging TRUTH.

And Sam, do not bother responding to people who do not know the difference between the words, "accept" and "except".

Ex

This is a bit of a stretch. Pierce is a very good player. Surely a HOF caliber for sure, but I can say this for sure, There's isnt a Laker fan out there that would even think of trading Pierce for Kobe at all! I think he's a clutch player and all but he's not Kobe.

[TonyMontana]

Great OP, Sam. How are you? You and I were always right. Give Paul some real pros to play with, and he said he would win us a 'ship and he sure did. He outplayed Lebron the superhuman in May 2008, he totally outplayed the very talented criminal in June 2008, and was the FINALS MVP! He continues to be vastly underrated, but there is zero doubt that the gap between the Truth and Kobe is much smaller than the blowhards/buttkissers at ESPN, casual fans, and Faker fans believe. And as far as clutchness is concerned in the last few minutes, there is NO GAP BETWEEN THE TRUTH AND KOBE.

Melo is an awesome baller and is maturing more every year, but wake me up when he has accomplished 1/5 as much as Paul has in his career, and when his offensive and defensive game becomes as complete as Paul's.

Paul will pass 20K points this year, he will be second team All Pro at least again, he will earn his 8th All Star team, and he will lead us to Number 18 this year. For the record, in response to the guy blowing smoke earlier in this thread, KG needs Paul as much as Paul needs KG. And we all know who leads our team during crunch time - the motherfrigging TRUTH.

And Sam, do not bother responding to people who do not know the difference between the words, "accept" and "except".

Ex

DAMM Thats just GANGSTA right there..... ACCEPT I think exculpatory actually is sam I am on his alternate profile

[Anklebreaker702]

Great OP, Sam. How are you? You and I were always right. Give Paul some real pros to play with, and he said he would win us a 'ship and he sure did. He outplayed Lebron the superhuman in May 2008, he totally outplayed the very talented criminal in June 2008, and was the FINALS MVP! He continues to be vastly underrated, but there is zero doubt that the gap between the Truth and Kobe is much smaller than the blowhards/buttkissers at ESPN, casual fans, and Faker fans believe. And as far as clutchness is concerned in the last few minutes, there is NO GAP BETWEEN THE TRUTH AND KOBE.

Melo is an awesome baller and is maturing more every year, but wake me up when he has accomplished 1/5 as much as Paul has in his career, and when his offensive and defensive game becomes as complete as Paul's.

Paul will pass 20K points this year, he will be second team All Pro at least again, he will earn his 8th All Star team, and he will lead us to Number 18 this year. For the record, in response to the guy blowing smoke earlier in this thread, KG needs Paul as much as Paul needs KG. And we all know who leads our team during crunch time - the motherfrigging TRUTH.

And Sam, do not bother responding to people who do not know the difference between the words, "accept" and "except".

Ex

DAMM Thats just GANGSTA right there..... ACCEPT I think exculpatory actually is sam I am on his alternate profile

Don't worry about it T-Money, you know we ride or die together LAKERS STYLE!!

[TonyMontana]

Don't worry about it T-Money, you know we ride or die together LAKERS STYLE!!

Yup Yup....... Na were chill brah, for the most part peps are cool on here ACCEPT a couple of peps like OG triple OG gandsta exculpatory and sam I am , they love to hit and run. But for the most part very good peps on here and good debates and ish talking at the sametime even though at times its an uphill battle sometimes, but its chill.

[Anklebreaker702]

Don't worry about it T-Money, you know we ride or die together LAKERS STYLE!!

Yup Yup....... Na were chill brah, for the most part peps are cool on here ACCEPT a couple of peps like OG triple OG gandsta exculpatory and sam I am , they love to hit and run. But for the most part very good peps on here and good debates and ish talking at the sametime even though at times its an uphill battle sometimes, but its chill.

Oh yeah, no doubt! I love talking to the C's fans. Most of them are cool.

[exculpatory]

Hey, Kobe is a fantastic athlete and the Lakers are an outstanding team. I want what you want, BRAH (LOL). I want another Faker-Celtic Finals, and may the best team win! And that of course will be the BOSTON CELTICS.

[Anklebreaker702]

Hey, Kobe is a fantastic athlete and the Lakers are an outstanding team. I want what you want, BRAH (LOL). I want another Faker-Celtic Finals, and may the best team win! And that of course will be the BOSTON CELTICS.

Don't kow these Fakers you speak of? If it's the winningest team in sports history. If it's the team who has the most titles sice the 70's, if it's the nBA's defending Champs, that team would be the LAKERS

[sam_I_am]

Great OP, Sam. How are you? You and I were always right. Give Paul some real pros to play with, and he said he would win us a 'ship and he sure did. He outplayed Lebron the superhuman in May 2008, he totally outplayed the very talented criminal in June 2008, and was the FINALS MVP! He continues to be vastly underrated, but there is zero doubt that the gap between the Truth and Kobe is much smaller than the blowhards/buttkissers at ESPN, casual fans, and Faker fans believe. And as far as clutchness is concerned in the last few minutes, there is NO GAP BETWEEN THE TRUTH AND KOBE.

Melo is an awesome baller and is maturing more every year, but wake me up when he has accomplished 1/5 as much as Paul has in his career, and when his offensive and defensive game becomes as complete as Paul's.

Paul will pass 20K points this year, he will be second team All Pro at least again, he will earn his 8th All Star team, and he will lead us to Number 18 this year. For the record, in response to the guy blowing smoke earlier in this thread, KG needs Paul as much as Paul needs KG. And we all know who leads our team during crunch time - the motherfrigging TRUTH.

And Sam, do not bother responding to people who do not know the difference between the words, "accept" and "except".

Ex

You are absolutely right, DrRS.... we knew what we had in the Truth - a player who will sit amongst the Celtics greats where he belongs! The difference between Kobe and Paul is not as great as assumed. Paul does have less ability to go 1 on 5 and that is definitely what makes Kobe loved by media and fans. But Kobe, like Paul Pierce is not good enough to carry a team by himself without a superior big man. Kobe proved that even with Butler and Odom or Odom and Bryant that at best he could lead a team to first or second round. Unlike PIerce who took a team with Antoine Walker as second best player and Tony Battie a best big to ECF, or Lebron or carried an inferior cast to ECF twice.... Kobe couldn't do it without Shaq (the Lebron of his era) or another lesser franchise big like Gasol.

Yes Kobe is one of the best players in NBA but he is so far from top 10 all time - that is a joke as far as I'm concerned. Real great players like Larry Bird join a team with worst record in NBA, with no great big men (McHale and Parish came his second year) and lead them to 60 win seasons and deep playoff runs. Even Dirk Nowitski has take less talent around him farther than Kobe could until he got a stacked roster. Wade as a second year player was way better than Kobe and proved it by pairing with Shaq and no other all stars (unlike the Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Robert Horry etc. squad) to the finals. Has there ever been more proof that Kobe is overrated? Great player.... but not as great as his press.

Look at last night's box score. Once again Kobe scores as many points as shots. His 39 shot 45 performance against Celtics gets the ESPN pundits all excited because all they see is 45 points not the team killing 39 attempts. If his ego ever let him go 3 quarters without trying to score (like Pierce last night) his team might actually be unbeatable. Without him his team isn't top 2 in NBA but he doesn't max out the players around him anywhere near the way Paul and Lebron bring out the best in their teammates.

He is also the most overrated defender in the history of the game. Paul as a shooting guard averaged 27 ppg vs Lakers when he was the only guy on his roster who could score against the Shaq led dominant Lakers - his highest average against any team at the time. But at that time he could often struggled against the real first team defenders like Bruce Bowen and even Doug Christie. But he always just scored at will against Kobe.

I know my opinions on Kobe go against the grain and I don't expect to convince anybody of my opinions. Kobe has the best footwork in the game and is a marvelously skilled player. The admiration he gets for those qualities combined with NBA marketing have led him to be overrated in my opinion. If he is as good as the best to ever play the game, he should have been able to accomplish more with the talent around him. The team prior to Gasol trade was going nowhere. Certainly wasn't going to win 62 games and take a team like Orlando to 7 games like the Celtics did last year without Garnett.

[sam_I_am]

Well we all have our itches in our teams now dont we sammy boy............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GXgFC8q32QTonyMontana

Yeah nice try...LMAO. The C's made Sasha cry. KG made BBD cry. It's not the same thing at all.

Nice try for what?? ........ Brah Im the last Laker fan thats going to argue that Sasha is a itch so where are we go with this. WHo cares who made who cry. Are you kidding me? They are both little panzzies if you ask me. Its just yours is a BIG BABY and ours is a shemale.....

Tony I am glad to hear you say that about Sasha. But that is the real revisionist history. I am sure that if you were posting in 2007 you were touting Sasha as part of this great bench that would beat the Celtics in 5.

But really, my point isn't to call out the Lakers so much as to show you how good it can be. If you think beating Denver, Houston and Orlando last year made that a great season that you will remember the rest of your life.... good for you.

But I doubt that there was ever a moment during the Magic series that came close to seeing Sasha crying on the bench after Paul Pierce locked down Kobe then destroyed the Laker defense to lead to Celtics to the greatest comeback ever in NBA finals history against their most hated rivals.

Best sports moment in my life. If the Laker title last year gave you that same thrill.... I'm happy for you. If the Lakers do manage to beat the Celtics in the finals - you might have a glimpse into how great it is to watch that Sasha video for me.

I can watch that Laker collapse - or Kobe's greatest choke job however you want to call it - over and over and over ..... I still regret the day I removed it from TIvo - because I would watch it right now if I could.

[DEEP3CL]

Hey sam_I_am, if you really knew Tony you'd know he can't stand Sasha. He's been wanting him gone forever. I can truly attest that my boy Tony was the last one cheering for him.

As far as your whole point of this thread............it's redundant to say the least. I mean you savoring watching Sasha cry or what ever, if that gets you off so be it. It's rather childish though. I mean I can go tit for tat with you on that.

Like the time Kevin McHale was on all fours pleading for his boys in vain while the Lakers were beating them to a pulp in the Garden in 87. See what goes around comes around. Keep up that childish way of thinking.........should get you a long way in life.

[sam_I_am]

Childish? This is Boston. If you don't like it, stay on your boring LA forum. Faker fans may find such behavior childish, but if you don't like the idea of a grown man savoring a moment like a 26 pt. come from behind victory over the Lakers the way a 2 year old would.... then don't talk sports with a Boston fan. Red Sox fans are much worse. And yes, remembering 1987 is extremely painful for me..... but then again....Kevin McHale doesn't play on my favorite team. And Sasha does play on yours.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

You said:

Pau was on the market for at least two years, and noone attempted to trade for him

LAMO your kidding right? You call that a trade???
First of all the salaries dont match which wouldnt even qualify this A TRADE unless your Danny doesnt know how to add or maybe he thought he was going to get a group discount , and second I said Pau was on the market for at least a couple of years and your pulling a realgm wiretap which is basically the National Enquirer of basketball with no substance or anything of any value that was posted in Nov of 2006........... You do realize Pau traded to LA Feb 1st 2008 right.. So again whats your point? Thats I said he was on the market for a couple of years??? Seriously brah whats your point?

Now I do stand corrected since I do believe that the Bulls made a run at Pau, and were looking to trade Andres Nocioni and T. Thomas but I believe Memphis was looking to get Deng as well, again I believe that was well over a year and half before Pau was traded to LA.

Wow, are you that dense? First of all, Danny Ainge is a GM for an NBA team. Do you really think he didn't offer Theo Ratliff's expiring deal along with Jefferson and Green for Gasol?

Second of all, take a look at the first article I posted - it's from Memphis. The Realgm wiretap article was extracted from the NY Post, who unfortunately, doesn't have the article up anymore.

And my point is that you were absolutely incorrect when you said no one attempted to trade for Gasol. To say that NO ONE ATTEMPTED TO TRADE FOR HIM is an absolutely moronic thing to say. Had you said "there weren't many good offers for him", I would have left it alone. Be careful when using absolutes.