OT: How good is Phoenix?

[TheMartian]

If they can maintain that ridiculous shooting percentage and torrid pace, it'll be hard to beat them even with lock down defense like the C's have. I seriously doubt they can maintain that pace though.

Also, despite their ballistic offense going off against the C's, they only managed to win by 7. I like our chances against them in a 7-game series.

[leper-con]

The Lakers are taking the Suns apart at the moment even without there 2nd best player.
I hate LA, fisher especially has become the leagues biggest flopper...he over exaggerates everything.

[TheMartian]

There you go. When their shots aren't falling, their defense could not compensate.

[Roscoe Sheed]

Who cares? They are regular season wonders. They won't do caca in the playoffs. Same trash we've seen for the past 5 years.

that is an unfair criticism. they were the best team in the NBA in 07. Stern screwed them. game 4 against the spurs was their break out game that proved they were better than the spurs.

[Roscoe Sheed]

The Lakers are taking the Suns apart at the moment even without there 2nd best player.
I hate LA, fisher especially has become the leagues biggest flopper...he over exaggerates everything.

I totally agree. I absolutely despise Fisher. He is my least favorite player in the NBA with Varejao a close second

[tombattor]

that is an unfair criticism. they were the best team in the NBA in 07. Stern screwed them. game 4 against the spurs was their break out game that proved they were better than the spurs.

Come on. We can't blame Stern for everything that goes wrong with our teams. I know a lot of the Celtics fans do that too, but that's just sour grapes. If the Suns really were the best team, they would have had more success in the playoffs. It's not like they were getting to the finals every other year.

[sully00]

To be fair Donaghy not Stern screwed the Suns in '07. Game 3 was one of his signature money move games. He called two fouls on Amare in the 2nd quarter and managed to limit Stat to 20 min in that game and shocker Vegas got crushed.

[EJay33]

Come on, Phoenix can make all the excuses they want but the bottom line is that they shouldn't have ran onto the court during a fight. Didn't they watch any of the Knicks/Heat playoff series'? You WILL get suspended for that. It happened in the past and it will happen in the future and it clearly was not a case of the NBA wanted the Suns to lose.

Looked to me like the better, more physical, and more disciplined team won the series.

[tombattor]

Come on, Phoenix can make all the excuses they want but the bottom line is that they shouldn't have ran onto the court during a fight. Didn't they watch any of the Knicks/Heat playoff series'? You WILL get suspended for that. It happened in the past and it will happen in the future and it clearly was not a case of the NBA wanted the Suns to lose.

Looked to me like the better, more physical, and more disciplined team won the series.

Great point! As much as everyone wants to blame Stern for his/her team's failures, it's nothing more than a pathetic excuse. Stern stands to benefit a lot more from keeping up the integrity of the league than letting the Spurs win a title over Phoenix or Boston for that matter.

[EJay33]

Plus the series was over in 6 games. The Suns didn't even put up a fight in game 6. You'd think with a well rested Stoudemire, a motivated Nash, and playing off of the "emotion" of an elaborate Tim Dounahgy scandal (that was sarcasm) that Phoenix would've come out like gangbusters and smoked the Spurs, considering they were far and away the better team that year and in fact the best team in the NBA (also sarcasm).

The Suns were an entertaining team. The Spurs were an NBA Title contender. Everyone (apparently except for me) WANTED Phoenix to win because of their style and likes to call that series a giant conspiracy. It's such crap, the Spurs had a team, coach, and style built for playoff success. The Suns didn't. Plus, how clutch is Robert Horry? When he's not eliminating teams from the playoffs with monster threes he's taking out opponents' leading scorers for entire playoff games and banging up their star point guards. I say we dig that guy out of retirement and make him our 12th man.

[sully00]

Godmoney

Don't know what to make of your post. The Suns had home court advantage in that series the Amare suspension cost PHX game 5, game 6 was back in SA. Game 3 was one of the games that Donaghy moved the Vegas line 2 points from all of the heavy money going on San Antonio.

Sure the rules said the league had to suspend Amare but Duncan left the bench during an earlier altercation in the first half the league ignored, even though ESPN highlighted it over and over. The leagues reasoning was that no punch was thrown, of course no punch was thrown in either altercation.

So hurray point spread fixing, cheap shots, and uneven application of league rules leads to a championship.

[TonyMontana]

Well let me bump this thread since some of you guys thought we were actually going to lose to these clowns and there was going to be our hardest competition.

I think we know how good Phoenix isnt against LA now.

Guys lets be honest here if both team play like they are playing right now and if we both stay healthy there is good chance we are our only competition so far and come Finals.

[nashrambler13]

i think our suns team this year is going to have a great regular seaon as you guys are saying, but although we probably wont do well in the playoffs, i think we are built better, and we have a better shot, and can stay competitive against all the playoff teams in the west in a seven game series.

cheers

[DEEP3CL]

Hate to say but bonsaiflipflops, it seems like you had a knee jerk reaction when you wrote this thread. Usually you come with pretty compelling threads, but c'mon the Suns just caught the Celtics on a bad night and NOT at full strength yet.

But I sympathize you wrote it after the Celtics played them and maybe you needed some clarity, but I'm sure you got it once you saw the Lakers thump them up out of Staple Center. The Suns are OK, but they couldn't beat neither the Celtics or Lakers at playoff time.

[Risensun]

I think 4th or 5th seed is about right. Come playoff time I see the Nuggets coming out of the Western Conference Finals they've looked great so far and Carmelo seems to be making every star player in the west his b!$@#. Assuming the Celtics lineup is healthy though nobody from the West is a threat.

[Roscoe Sheed]

that is an unfair criticism. they were the best team in the NBA in 07. Stern screwed them. game 4 against the spurs was their break out game that proved they were better than the spurs.

Come on. We can't blame Stern for everything that goes wrong with our teams. I know a lot of the Celtics fans do that too, but that's just sour grapes. If the Suns really were the best team, they would have had more success in the playoffs. It's not like they were getting to the finals every other year.

I disagree. They were the best team in the NBA in 07. Also, Stern shouldn't have suspended those guys. They ran along the sideline, not the court

[campybatman]

Hate to say but bonsaiflipflops, it seems like you had a knee jerk reaction when you wrote this thread. Usually you come with pretty compelling threads, but c'mon the Suns just caught the Celtics on a bad night and NOT at full strength yet.

It's easy to second guess my thread after the Lakers were able to defeat the Suns at home recently. However, I fail to see your point. A knee jerk reaction is when one assumes that that team will excel beyond expectations. I didn't do that by creating this thread. Moreover, the point of my thread was to simply discuss Phoenix's chances this season, and examine if they're a viable opponent to Los Angles toward the top seed besides San Antonio or Denver.

That last sentence puzzles me. You aren't stating anything I don't already know.

What I said, "...I was expecting San Antonio to challenge Los Angeles for being the top team in the western conference. It might be too early, but Phoenix looks like they'll give the Lakers a race for the division title.

Anyways, is Phoenix's early success this season a mirage, or are they for real?"

Your reaction to my thread, at least with this particular post, was unnecessary in my opinion. I didn't overrate the Suns nor am I a band wagoner or whatever you assume I am for beginning this thread. I don't appreciate your comments. Evidently, you took exception to me even suggesting that Phoenix could be spoken in the same breathe as the Lakers for the division title. Again, there's the Lakers, and there's the Suns. I know the difference. Apparently, you don't think I do.

[DEEP3CL]

Man you just took everything I said way way out of context. I don't know but maybe when guys use the notion of "how good", it seems to me maybe they don't know and need opinions on the matter. OK maybe I shouldn't have use the words "knee jerk", but I wasn't second guessing you at all. And further more I could careless who you compare to the Lakers or who you even think is a challenger, don't matter to me one way or another.

As far as the last sentence I wrote, how is it hard to understand? If anything I was giving the Celtics the benefit of the doubt that they're not at full strength, anybody that really knows ball knows that.

But sense you went way off and got defensive for no reason, don't worry man I won't rile you up again.