Golden State In Trade Mode

[threrf23]

I don't mind the idea of potentially trading for Biedrins, despite his contract. Young (still only 23), great rebounder, good size, doesn't shoot himself or his team in the foot, my guess is he has offensive potential with a different coach. Perk or Baby would officially become rather tradeable in the right deal, giving us added flexibility.

Morrow makes sense if we are potentially losing Ray.

Don't know if GS even considers it, but I tend to like the idea of Ray + Scal + filler for Biedrins/Morrow/Claxton/VladRad. It cuts their payroll a little, and Ray could mentor Stephen Curry.

[celticsfanforlife]

Trade for Anthony Randolph...the next Garnett...PUHHHHHHHHHHHLEASEEEEEEEEEEEE


You wanna know what Len Bias would have done for the old Celtics?



Get Anthony Randolph and find out...

[irie]

I don't think we have anything they want that they couldn't get from other teams. The only player Nellie probably likes on our roster is Eddie House but what's he worth in a trade? Not so much. I'd rather not trade with GS.

[jmr07019]

Commenting on a couple of things people have said:

If we're trading Ray in a situation where he's getting bought out I don't want Bierdrins and Maggette. That's roughly 20 mil a year in bad contracts we're taking on each year over the next FOUR years. I think Randolph would be a beast after a year or two of being tutored by Clifford Ray and KG but still not worth it.

The Knicks don't have a ton of assets many teams would want but if we sent them Ray for Curry and Jeffries while a third team recieved Gallinari, Hill and Davis we might be able to get something quite nice from that third team. I know the Knicks have said Gallinari is the only untouchable on their team and they give up Hill on top of that in the deal but getting both Jeffries and Curry off the books for next year seems to be a wet dream for most knicks fans. Hopefully that's also what the Knicks front office.

Finally I think some people are not putting enough negative equity on the Magette deal. After this year he's scheduled to make 9.6 mil, 10.26 mil, and then 10.9 mil for a guy valued by most other teams as an MLE player. I think CJ Watson / Maggette / Randolph for House / Davis / Scal / TA gets it done. We can throw in a first if need be as I'd jump at the chance to anchor a defense with Perk / Randolph / Rondo going into the future.

[Captain_Caveman]

Probably worth mentioning that Randolph looks pretty horrible this year.

Bad attitude, no fundamentals, poor work ethic and enough dumb mistakes that even Tony Allen would cringe.

[J-Rich-]

Don't know if GS even considers it, but I tend to like the idea of Ray + Scal + filler for Biedrins/Morrow/Claxton/VladRad. It cuts their payroll a little, and Ray could mentor Stephen Curry.

why the hell would gs do this deal other than having allen tutor curry? besides curry got cp3 to mentor him, they're close butt buddies. biedrins is worth his contract but has been injured within the last year and a half. when he's healthy he's a double double and rebounding machine. morrow is gonna be a middle class's ray allen. he's young and gonna be cheap to re sign. gs would rather let claxton expire or use him in a different trade that would benefit gs more and vladdy is a decent 20mpg player who expires next year, could be a very valuable expiring contract. he suck dick right now but its only becuz he's playing way more minutes than he should

[old rem]

SMH. Why would you target Maggette? Nevermind the contract, he's the worst kind of player for the Celtics. I'd move anyone outside of starters/sheed for Randolph though.

Which raises the question..why should GSW trade anything for scraps that may not even make the rotation? The Celt's bench is frankly,lacking anyone who'd do a damn thing for GSW. Does this goof at Yahoo say GSW is going to simply destroy the franchise and see if anyone pays to see a bunch of generic scrubs get abused? WTF...ya think GSW is giving Ellis or Randolph or Biedrins for guys too old to figure in any rebuild?

A Randolph, Morrow, Azubuike B Wright, Curry are CHEAP contracts and each can be starters much of the next 10 yr...so the motive to trade one of them for...say Eddie House...is What?

Ellis is more that 10 yr younger than Ray,paid about $7 mill less, and now is WAY faster...and better.
GSW was THRILLED to sign Biedrins to his contract. He was top 3 in both rebounds and FG % as a 22 yr old. He's the first real good C GSW has had since Nate thurmond.

I guess you can pretend the W's management is dumber than the town drunk or on some secret mission to totally destroy the team and start a bloody riot. That's a bit of a stretch. Get real, kids.
Even if GSW goes on a crazy binge of bad trades...Boston lacks the pieces to get involved.

[old rem]

Probably worth mentioning that Randolph looks pretty horrible this year.

Bad attitude, no fundamentals, poor work ethic and enough dumb mistakes that even Tony Allen would cringe.

Then again that 24/13 showing matching up vs Dwight Howard looked good. 20 yr old 7 footers are often a bit rough around the edges...that...and most of your slanders are simply false or very outdated.

It does not help to have a neurotic coach who likes to bully rookies and yet can let a guy like S Jackson or Vlad chuck 3's on a night when the guy is 3-13. When not the victim of pointless mind games, Randolph played well. The PROBLEM is that GSW's coaches are off on their little crusade to sell "Nellieball". Currently, Randolph is the ONLY good rebounder GSW has, yet we had recent games where we got outrebounder by 20+ and often used 3-4 guards with soft Vlad Rad as a "center" while Randolph got short minutes. Last spring...Nellie flat ran out of excess guards....He was STUCK with Randolph playing 30 min +. Randolph, in a bit more than a month averaged 16 pt + 11 rebounds and GSW,with 7 players,including a couple of undrafted rookies and 19 yr old AR...went .500.

Why? Nellie was STUCK with being SENSIBLE. He lacked the options to even DO goofy gimmicks. Randolph's LONG presence dominated the paint, CJ Watson, Morrow, Azubuike ALL shot around 45% from 3 for the month.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Patrick O'Bryant was supposedly held back by Nelson as well, also a late lottery pick with similar ? marks..

[Captain_Caveman]

Rem, I have a feeling that I might know your team better than you do. Referring to Buke and Brandan Wright as people who can be starters for much of the next 10 years?

Don't be offended, but... HOMER ALERT.

I watch the Warriors all the time, and while I agree with you on the fact that they will not be trading their youth for Ray Allen and/or expirings, I have never seen a fan base who overrates their young talent more consistently than Warriors fans do. You guys have had almost 15 years of lottery picks, and have never produced a single All-Star out of them. In fact, the only draft pick of yours since '93 who has ever made an All-Star team with ANYONE is Arenas.

There are a lot of young guys on the Ws I would love to have in a reserve role, but it's becoming increasingly clear that none of them are all that special.

[celtxman]

If GSW's whole plan is to just shut down the franchise, sell off assets and just close the doors.....
Then they want cash. Otherwise....this is crap. Teams WANT young, low $/high upside stuff. GSW can't get much for Maggette or Vlad Rad, seen as "bad contract" guys. Why on earth does GSW trade a lot of young cost effective FUTURE for a "win now" plan that fails to do more than MAYBE reach .500?

Keep the players, can the coach...that's a step. The Celts don't have the chips to get involved even if GSW goes into panic mode.

It depends on the trade. Trading the young, possibly upside players for expirings certainly doesn't make sense. If you are looking to unload Maggette for expirings you probably have no choice but to include someone with upside and a low contract. It doesn't matter if it is Boston or anyone else - they don't need to come to the table with much to accomplish that. Shoot - you took back a bad contract with Radmonovich and you have another another year for the fans to boo him. Scraps like Scalabrine don't look so bad all of a sudden when you can be free of it in 6 months. And Stephen Jackson's contract was better, and he provided a better overall value to contendors than Maggette. And you need to get realistic about your squad and their actual talent and especially their value. Take it from fans that know. Gerald Green was dropping 20 and 30 points for the Celtics when they were bad and Pierce went down. You may scoff at someone like Big Baby, yet we already know what he can do when it counts. Can we say the same about all of these "upside" guys who can't win? There may be a diamond in the rough in that mix but I guarantee it isn't more than one, if that. Make a wise personnel decision on one that isn't and package him with Maggette. Start fresh with new leadership and a little bit of money to spend, because losing Maggette puts you under the cap.