Trade for Nate Robinson

[Scorpion King]

did you guys watch the knicks game tonight vs hawks. the man was on fire. he almost had a triple double. He single handedly helped the knicks came back no one would could guard him tonight

[Jammer]

Nate, after saying he would like to play for the Celtics (if he's traded),
detonates any chance by going for 41 points, 8 assists and 6 rebounds
in his return to the court, off the bench, in Atlanta.

My trade from Ocober 2007 of two second round picks for Nate,
when Nate was only making $1.3 Million per year
(so he fit in under a Celtics trade exception from the Ray Allen trade in June that year),
got shot down on this board pretty strongly back then,
but looks pretty good now.

My recent trade proposal to bring Nate in
(includes Gomes to have enough salary to offset Nate's BYC status)
ain't gonna happen, now, I suspect.

Still, it would have been a coup to get
Ryan Gomes and Nate Robinson for either

2010 First Round Pick + Brian Scalabrine + Marquis Daniels + JR Giddens OR
2010 First Round Pick + Brian Scalabrine + Tony Allen + Billy Walker.

You can't mix and match Daniels/Giddens with Tony/Walker.
They are a matched pair, because of Nate's BYC status,
and because Minnesota wants as little return salary for Ryan Gomes as possible,
in the trade that would have brought in Ryan Gomes at the same time.
And Lester Hudson doesn't make enough to substitute for any of the above guys.

[cisco]

Get Nate!

Do you think NY still wants to trade him after last night? D'Antonio looks like a jackass for keeping him out of games.

[cisco]

Too bad we didn't do it before his 40 pt outburst. Do you think NY still wants to trade him? And will it cost more after his great game?

[Celtics_Champs]

Sorry Jammer, had to merge them. Only one nate robinson thread should be allowed on the celtics board.

[Jammer]

Sorry Jammer, had to merge them. Only one nate robinson thread should be allowed on the celtics board.

Cool.

[celtxman]

Robinson's game was indeed impressive and he has gone for over 40 before. While not being 100% sold on all aspects of Robinson, I will say one thing. If there really was any interest in Robinson, then we moved too slow. The reason I would have any interest is basic - this team could use a player like Atlanta got in Jamal Crawford, who can create his own shot and be able score. While I'm not enamored with Robinson's defense and size, he is obviously capable of carrying a team when there are injuries or the starters don't have it and need some firepower. Eddie House can't penetrate and Tony Allen can't shoot. I was an advocate of getting Stephen Jackson for the same reason. With some aggressive Celtic movement, probably either Robinson or Jackson could have been had without losing any key players. With the stars getting older, falling one player short now is more scary than having cap space later. And we're not the only contendor hoping someone falls into our laps.

[Tirion]

jeez, knee jerk much.

nate robinson is a ball-dominating midget, who's a defensive liability. yeah, he can score in bunches AT THE EXPENSE of team offense.

[sully00]

jeez, knee jerk much.

nate robinson is a ball-dominating midget, who's a defensive liability. yeah, he can score in bunches AT THE EXPENSE of team offense.

That is nonsense. Nate is in the top 3 or 4 in almost every measure of offensive efficiency on the Knicks, PER, TS%, eFG%, ORtg. Sure he is defensively challenged but he is a great offensive player.

As for your trades Jammer neither one of them would work for Nate or Ryan for that matter.

2010 First Round Pick + Brian Scalabrine + Marquis Daniels + JR Giddens OR
2010 First Round Pick + Brian Scalabrine + Tony Allen + Billy Walker.

Robinson can essentially only be dealt for a trade exception, cap space, or in a larger deal involving 6 mil more in salary leaving the Knicks. So to trade for him you have to take back something like Jefferies or Darko and then find a way to send out 8 mil in contracts so you are looking at at least 3 guys Scal, House, TA or four or five guys if you try and use the kids.

Gomes would be a little easier though.

[wetsthebed]

My thoughts are as follows: never.

[Jammer]

jeez, knee jerk much.

nate robinson is a ball-dominating midget, who's a defensive liability. yeah, he can score in bunches AT THE EXPENSE of team offense.

That is nonsense. Nate is in the top 3 or 4 in almost every measure of offensive efficiency on the Knicks, PER, TS%, eFG%, ORtg. Sure he is defensively challenged but he is a great offensive player.

As for your trades Jammer neither one of them would work for Nate or Ryan for that matter.

2010 First Round Pick + Brian Scalabrine + Marquis Daniels + JR Giddens OR
2010 First Round Pick + Brian Scalabrine + Tony Allen + Billy Walker.

Robinson can essentially only be dealt for a trade exception, cap space, or in a larger deal involving 6 mil more in salary leaving the Knicks. So to trade for him you have to take back something like Jefferies or Darko and then find a way to send out 8 mil in contracts so you are looking at at least 3 guys Scal, House, TA or four or five guys if you try and use the kids.

Gomes would be a little easier though.

sully, get your facts right next time. I have posted the RealGM trade ID for these trades, they did work.

Here is the link that contained the RealGM Trade IDs. Try them yourself.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=970798

You'll need to scroll down to about the 5th post in the thread to see the alternate
(Tony Alen/Walker) in lieu of Daniels/Giddens version)

By the way, I did the math before entering the trades into the RealGM program, so I already knew that they would work. As you can tell, I'm proud that i crunched the numbers before plugging them into the trade checker.

Minnesota has since traded away their one player with an unguaranteed contract for a player and a future draft pick (to help get New Orleans under the luxury tax), so they probably wouldn't want GIddens or Walker now. But the trades still work. They'd just wind up with 16 players, and have to cut someone, and probably ask the Celtics to send some dollars over to cover any player released, unless they were able to get Sacramento, who is under the cap, to take Walker or Giddens in exchange for their remaining salary. But again, the trades technically work.

By the way, Happy New Year. You make a lot of sensible posts.

[sully00]

I understand now it is a three team deal it seemed like we would be trading for Nate or Ryan not getting both of them in the deal.

Offensively it looks great especially if TA is the player we have seen over the last 12 games. We add a 3pt shooter who can actually play in Gomes instead of Scal, a real if a little crazy ball handler in Robinson. We take a step back defensively especially at the SF spot but they would also free up a roster spot to add a Bruce Bowen or someone for the stretch run.

My guess is that MINN would want '11 draft pick not '10 if they are trying to clear cap space. It is nothing more than a wash for the Knicks but if he gets healthy Daniels could be a decent fit in D'Antoni's system and they would be able to bring him back on a raise of his current salary and he may struggle to command more than that this offseason.

I would guess that Boston would just stick with Daniels and the Wolves and Knicks would hate to participate in a such a lopsided deal for Boston even if it made some sense for them. It is certainly the only realistic Nate to Boston deal I have seen.

[Darth Celtic]

this is also stupid, daniels won't come here for way reduced salary and then have us trade him to a bad team. no free agent would ever do that again, hence, danny wouldn't do it. nxt

[sully00]

Who exactly was offering Daniels more money than Boston? Seriously, we are living exactly why, the guy can't stay healthy.

The only thing that makes this Nate Robinson thing interesting is the element of him asking to be dealt to Boston.

[Celtics_Champs]

Who exactly was offering Daniels more money than Boston? Seriously, we are living exactly why, the guy can't stay healthy.

The only thing that makes this Nate Robinson thing interesting is the element of him asking to be dealt to Boston.

Which is why I keep reading this thread. I was surprised to hear that. I thought for sure he hated this place.

[sully00]

CC

He also has apparently refused a deal to Memphis and NJ was turned down with a sort of crappy offer for what its worth.

[Hemingway]

1. Def don't want to lose MD. If we get Gomes I guess I could live with it. MD is good, when healthy and just seems like a great fit here.

2. If we do a deal now we lose out on the possibility of finding a better deal near the deadline. Nate could be a free agent by then too.

[Celtics_Champs]

My bad if all these points are just being re-iterated, but here is why my mind has changed on Nate, and I would definitely think about doing a deal.

Nate's not gonna come in and ruin things. He wants to be here, and his playing time before this is next to nothing. Isn't he in a contract year? That'll be motivation enough to fight. I just see him being the perfect little soldier for a couple of months and if he can put up the numbers he did like that 40 point game with the knicks, I don't see why you don't take a shot at him.