OT: Martin vs. Evans, should Kings trade Martin?

campybatman · Post #1 » by **campybatman** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 7:26 am

I'm curious to see whether or not Sacramento decides to trade Kevin Martin. If Tyreke Evans is the real deal (if they think he's as close to any young player to being another Wade), then the Kings have to think about making him the focal point of the offense. That means moving over to shooting guard.

For Boston, I've said this before, Kevn Martin is the most logical replacement if you were going to trade Ray's expiring contract. But I don't think Ainge will. I'm just saying...

What are Martin's chances of being a star in the league? He's only twenty-six, but when I think of Martin, I imagine a pure scorer. The problem, like Durant, that's all I see them as being. The NBA needs its scorers but you've to be able to contribute to your team's success in a variety of ways not just scoring. Both of these two players, for one thing, they must get stronger, they look frail. There's no debating that Durant is well on his way to being a budding young star. Can Martin join him in that distinction you think? Or is this his ceiling. Durant's rebounding average has improved this season but I'll like to see him block more shots and become a play-maker like Wade. Otherwise, he's likely already there, to being a star.

Captain_Caveman · Post #2 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:12 am

They will definitely trade Martin.

Guy is garbage at that much money. A hollow stat padder who is a net negative on the bottom line.

campybatman · Post #3 » by **campybatman** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:36 am

Well, I wouldn't know, I don't follow the Kings.

It just goes to show that you shouldn't always overpay every young player based on their upside. Again, is he only a scorer in this league? If he is, I'm not a fan of one dimensional players. Is Martin injury prone? Because it seems like he has missed a lot of games the last two seasons.

Captain_Caveman · Post #4 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:13 am

Martin = Monta Ellis.

Someone has to get the stats on a bad team.

Both good additions if money's not a concern, I guess.

Al-Haqq · Post #5 » by **Al-Haqq** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 9:21 am

I get a feeling someone is going to try make a trade idea where we get Martin for Ray and then they cut Ray and he comes back and then LeBron requests a trade to Boston where we trade Martin and Ray and then they're both cut and re-sign with us.

EJay33 · Post #6 » by **EJay33** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:04 pm

Kev-Mart is risky. He is a very efficient scorer who is incredible at drawing contact and getting to the line. The problem with this strategy is that he is 6'7", 185lbs and so far in his career has not come back quickly from injury. In fact, that is a gross understatement, he comes back from injury humiliatingly slowly.

The Kings seem to not enjoy playing with him. If you watch him out there hogging the ball and taking every shot you'll see his team mates playing without passion and that's why the Kings are pretty much a 25-win team with him as the main guy. He doesn't hit the boards or defend, either.

Martin would've been perfect here the year we got KG. Pierce used to be a loathsome team mate who didn't play D and was a chucker. Once he had KG to set the tone defensive and other all-star team mates he became a lot more unselfish and put in the effort defensively. Martin needs to be in a similar situation. I guess I'd take my chances on him for this year but I don't like him as a main piece of the team's future moving forward due to injuries and selfish play.

We could've drafted him..and everyone at the time said we should have, but we took Tony Allen instead. Just saying..

hiphop1 · Post #7 » by **hiphop1** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:18 pm

Im not sold on him staying healthy for a whole year that is my big concern. I would only trade Scal, Ta, and House for him.

irie · Post #8 » by **irie** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 5:59 pm

He's always going to be a good scorer and he would be a great second or third option on a playoff team. He'll never be an all star or anything.. his game is too one dimensional.

Still, if I were the Kings, I'd hang onto him unless I can get lottery picks.

campybatman · Post #9 » by **campybatman** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:55 pm

Yeah, he seems like he's a good player on the Kings but on a better team he's just another scoring option or complementary player to that team's star.

If I were Sacramento, I would acknowledge Dallas' inquiry or overture for Martin. I mean I would take back Josh Howard in a swap of players and save the money. Howard's contract is basically an expiring contract.

SonicYouth34 · Post #10 » by **SonicYouth34** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:04 am

Yep. Tyreke is a 2 guard, not a pg, and has superstar potential. Martin is a great scorer, poor defender and injury prone. Martin will be easy to move and they could get a nice piece for him, like a pg or defensive big.

jmr07019 · Post #11 » by **jmr07019** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:03 am

My only concern with Martin is the injuries but I think many are under rating him. If he could stay healthy for a full season he would be an ideal back court partner with Rondo. He has good height and length at 6-7 and is a very efficient scorer with his ability to hit the 3 and get to the line. He would probably be our best offensive player if we were able to make a Ray / Martin based deal. I wouldn't worry about his defensive intensity or team play. I think if he were on our team in Ray's spot I'm sure KG, Doc, and company would keep him in line.

campybatman · Post #12 » by **campybatman** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:19 am

Michael Redd is the other choice you could easily swap Ray for given his salary. However, like Martin, he can't seem to stay healthy lately.

Ray for Martin and Udrih or Martin and Nocioni works but anyone of these players are overpaid.

Post #13 » by **sully00** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:32 pm

This thread is in outer space. Michael Redd's career is over, at least being an all star caliber player.

Kevin Martin makes 10, 11, 12 for the next 3 years why would you want to move that money for one of the best shooters in the game?

Someone else may overvalue him because of his contract and force SAC hand but Martin and Evans have a lot of the same dynamics that Westbrook and Durant have why not let them figure it out?

EJay33 · Post #14 » by **EJay33** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 4:02 pm

Sully,

How much Kev-Mart have you watched? Have you followed the situation in Sacramento closely? Last year everyone on that team was fed up with Martin and his ball hogging. He doesn't play D, rebound, or include his team mates. He is an efficient scorer but he's fragile and a head case that's for sure. This year Sacramento has been a significantly better team AFTER Martin went down with the injury. If the Kings can find a taker for him they'd be glad to get rid of him and officially hand over the keys to Tyreke. At this point he is not a player you want on your team if your goal is to contend for championships.

Post #15 » by **sully00** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:47 pm

Godmoney

I follow Martin pretty closely I like him as a player quite a bit your assessment is a fairy tale. The Kings suck but with Martin they won 23% of their games last season 16% without. He isn't a great defender but he is solid rebounder for his position. As far as your takes on Martin I think they are in your mind besides the kid missing huge amounts of time to injury who are his teammates that would even matter? Since he came back from the wrist he hasn't played well but he is only taking 11 shots a game. Evans is an off the dibble player Martin is a catch and shoot guy.

Martin only played 5 games before his wrist injury. While they went 1-4 3 of the games were on the road the Kings are 3-19 on the road this season not surprisingly in the 6 games since Martin came back the Kings have been on the road for all 6. They were also 2-8 the 10 games before Martin came back with 8 of them at home.

It will certainly take more than 11 games and for Martin to actually get his level of play back after missing a couple of months before determining how Martin and Evans can play together. But understand Tyreke Evans is taking more shots a game and dominating the ball more than Martin has ever in his career and he is a rookie.

But I guess I am not paying attention.

GuyClinch · Post #16 » by **GuyClinch** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 7:29 am

Martin would've been perfect here the year we got KG. Pierce used to be a loathsome team mate who didn't play D and was a chucker. Once he had KG to set the tone defensive and other all-star team mates he became a lot more unselfish and put in the effort defensively. Martin needs to be in a similar situation. I guess I'd take my chances on him for this year but I don't like him as a main piece of the team's future moving forward due to injuries and selfish play.

LMAO. What a load of drivel. Paul always played good D and was looked up to by his teamates - in the year they won 24 games the team was a staggering 8x more likely to win when he was playing compared to when he wasn't.

I don't know how long you have been a Celtic fan but your badly out of touch. PP brought us to the ECF with likes of Tony Battie, Antione Walker and Kenny Anderson. That's pretty much a miracle.