Would you guys do a Ray Allen for Hinrich and Salmons deal?

[sully00]

Nobody wants Glen Davis back in a salary dump.

Deng's contract is fine based on his play, it is a long deal but for 18/8 and an active defender I don't see the problem with it Ray is probably going to cost that much next year anyhow. It wouldn't impact Pierce besides he has to move to SG but with Hinrich we could also have a nice small line up with Deng at the 4.

But I don't see why the Bulls would want to move him, you have to have some guys that a star is going to want to play with for cap space to work.

[UGA Hayes]

Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't particularly like Hinrichs game.

[coldfish]

Bulls fan piping in:
- Reportedly, Chicago is now thinking of moving Hinrich. I'm not sure how real this is, given that they have had the chance to do it in the past and didn't.
- Regardless of what fans think of Deng, the Bulls organization seems to really like him. I would be shocked if the Bulls were willing to deal him for Ray Allen at this point.

If the Celtics were willing to take on Hinrich's salary, I would think that House, Tony Allen and Scal for Hinrich would be a good deal for both teams. I'm not sure either team does it though because the Celts take on a lot of salary and the Bulls like Hinrich more than you do, regardless of who "you" are.

Last note: If Salmons opts out, the Bulls will be able to offer a max contract this summer, regardless of what they do with Deng or Hinrich. Moving both is more about reorganizing the roster around Noah and Rose than getting max capspace. There is a good chance Salmons opts out. He only has one more year at $5M left on his deal. As he ages, its less and less likely he could get a good contract again. Even if he could opt out and get 3/9, it would be a good deal for him in the long term.

[greenwing]

I think they would do an Expirings 4 Hinrich deal. Because they are one of the favorites to get Dwayne Wade. But would the C's want to hand him over to them when they could possibly get him?

Wade to Boston? Uh, no. Not happening. Wade will almost certainly either stay in Miami or come back to his hometown in Chicago.

[Celts17Pride]

I think they would do an Expirings 4 Hinrich deal. Because they are one of the favorites to get Dwayne Wade. But would the C's want to hand him over to them when they could possibly get him?

Wade to Boston? Uh, no. Not happening. Wade will almost certainly either stay in Miami or come back to his hometown in Chicago.

Celtics have no reasonable way to sign Wade even if Wade declared he wanted to go to Boston.

[nasbahceltic]

Hinrich would be a good fit on this team and all, but the more I think about Danny's tendencies and the overall strcuture of the team I just don't see us being able to pull it off.

I highly doubt Danny wants to do a 3 for one deal at this time (can Chicago even take on such a deal anyway?). Also, 9 mill is pretty ridiculous to pay for a bench player and such a salary for a bench player has never seemd to be Danny's MO (remember Posey and the Noc deal last year).

I'd say a more realistic target is someone like Raja Bell, especially when you consider we were looking to acquire him last year. Bell and Marquis allows us to be totally covered at the wing position as both can play the 2/3 spots effectively. Bell also falls in line with the short term contracts Ainge has preferred to acquire the last 3 years.

The only thing that leaves is the backup PG spot (AGAIN). I think that we're going to end up going bargain basement shopping for the 3rd straight year. When looking at the trade market there just doesn't seem to be anything available that fits our needs economically or practically. If a guy like Dooling becomes available I'd jump for joy.

[greenwing]

Btw, I've read through this thread and this is what I'm going to tell all of you Boston fans. I understand the notion that fans tend to overrate their own players. And this certainly applies here - specifically to Ray Allen. Ray Allen has an expiring contract, he's been on the decline the past couple of seasons and he is by no means Boston's long term solution at the 2. It's probably not within Boston's interest to sign him to a lucrative long-term contract even though he still has some game in him. The guy is 34 years old and he will never be a 20+ ppg scorer in this league ever again. And for the first time since his rookie season, his PER is below the league average at 14.7.

I would make the argument that Deng is a significantly better player at this point in time. But unless you're trying to capitalize on Chicago's desire to shed salary and the amount of dough that you guys would be acquiring in some of the proposed deals in this thread, the fact that some of you are asking essentially for a trade involving Allen for Deng/Hinrich is honestly pretty hilarious. I'm sure a number of Bulls fans would love to clear cap space like that in order to try to get two star players. But I'm sure Chicago's FO can find significantly more value than just Ray Allen for those guys.

In any case, I'm not saying you guys should trade Allen now when you have a small chance at winning it all this year as constructed, but his window is closely pretty quickly and GM's around the league know that. So if you're going to propose trades involving him, you have to significantly lower the value you guys are suggesting for him.

[Celts17Pride]

In any case, I'm not saying you guys should trade Allen now when you have a small chance at winning it all this year as constructed, but his window is closely pretty quickly and GM's around the league know that. So if you're going to propose trades involving him, you have to significantly lower the value you guys are suggesting for him.

I disagree completely. Ray Allen is extremely valuable because trading him allows the other GM to basically wipe out $20 mill in mistakes and allows that GM to possibly be a huge player in 2010 free agency (Wade, Joe Johnson, LeBron, Bosh etc.). Add in the savings to the other team in the luxury tax and Ray Allen becomes a extremely valuable chip that doesn't come cheaply.

[greenwing]

In any case, I'm not saying you guys should trade Allen now when you have a small chance at winning it all this year as constructed, but his window is closely pretty quickly and GM's around the league know that. So if you're going to propose trades involving him, you have to significantly lower the value you guys are suggesting for him.

I disagree completely. Ray Allen is extremely valuable because trading him allows the other GM to basically wipe out $20 mill in mistakes and allows that GM to possibly be a huge player in 2010 free agency (Wade, Joe Johnson, LeBron, Bosh etc.). Add in the savings to the other team in the luxury tax and Ray Allen becomes a extremely valuable chip that doesn't come cheaply.

And the Rockets say the same thing about McGrady. Look where that's getting them so far.

[Celts17Pride]

In any case, I'm not saying you guys should trade Allen now when you have a small chance at winning it all this year as constructed, but his window is closely pretty quickly and GM's around the league know that. So if you're going to propose trades involving him, you have to significantly lower the value you guys are suggesting for him.

I disagree completely. Ray Allen is extremely valuable because trading him allows the other GM to basically wipe out $20 mill in mistakes and allows that GM to possibly be a huge player in 2010 free agency (Wade, Joe Johnson, LeBron, Bosh etc.). Add in the savings to the other team in the luxury tax and Ray Allen becomes a extremely valuable chip that doesn't come cheaply.

And the Rockets say the same thing about McGrady. Look where that's getting them so far.

Right now they are just going through deals and picking the best one for them. Nothing will get done until Feb 18th.

[cfan79]

Exactly c17p, a lot of offers are being made. Houston's just being smart with their decision. I've heard Bosh's name, Butler, Lee and Nate etc. Danny must be going through a similar situation if he's told people secretly he's willing to deal Ray.

[JordansBulls]

What are you guys thoughts on this deal now?

[Zin5]

What are you guys thoughts on this deal now?

Still no, but thanks for the bump!

[Zin5]

And instead of completely discrediting the trade baselessly, I'll explain a bit why: Neither are an upgrade over Ray and we don't get younger in the deal. Both shoot a worse percentage than Ray and only Hinrich would be an obvious defensive upgrade. As for the age, yes, they're younger, but not be much. Salmons is already showing to be washing up sooner than Ray and while Hinrich would be a few years younger, he's not going to help us win more than Ray, or probably in the next few years for that matter. Essentially, you're asking us to get worse now and take on more salary for the next couple of years. We'll pass.

We'd take Hinrich off your hands for other expirings (Scal, House, etc), but he's not worth Ray, not even close. Say what you want about Ray's struggles, he's historically a much better three point shooter than Kirk and he's not shooting under 40% this year like Kirk is. Ray's actually shooting about 45% this year which isn't bad at all from a perimeter oriented player, especially one that takes as many shots as Ray does.