Trade Ideas Thread

greenroom31 · Post #101 » by **greenroom31** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:20 pm

Here's a list of some players I would like to see the Celtics pursue in a trade:

Al Horford: Atlanta is in no man's land -- good enough to make the playoffs but not good enough to make it past the 1st round. Hopefully they could be talked into going into full rebuild mode. Unfortunately the signing of Sefolosha seems to signal they want to try to continue being marginally competitive. Still, maybe Jeff Green or Bass plus some combo of young guys and picks could get it done?

Al Jefferson: Who doesn't love Big Al? Seriously though, Charlotte is in a similar position to Atlanta, particularly if Utah matches their offer for Hayward. If they decide to build around the other Zeller, Vonleh, Kemba Walker, MKG, and Biyombo then Jefferson at 29.5 years old with a player option for next year might be moveable to bring in other young talent. Celtics could make a similar offer to the one for Horford above.

Lance Stephenson: Not sure what Indiana would want back from us, but it seems they need more depth. If we could S&T them Bass and Bradley or Marcus Thornton (if they don't wants to take on a long term contract) plus a pick maybe they would think it over? If Indy loses him for nothing it's going to be hard for them to compete with Cleveland next year.

Greg Monroe: Van Gundy's comments make it seem like they aren't exactly on great terms with Monroe. Maybe we could work out a S&T and send them Jeff Green plus a young guy or pick?

Larry Sanders: Buy low candidate in terms of value, but that makes him hard to deal for. They probably want more than what a team would offer, but I would imagine it's worth a shot. If we could get him for Gerald Wallace and a future 1st rounder or two it might be worth the risk.

Nikola Pekovic: I hesitate to put anyone on Minnesota on the list, but if Love is traded for Wiggins or other young players from Cleveland, keeping the 28.5 year old Pekovic on board at $12 mil per year for a lengthy rebuild doesn't make much sense. Then again, nothing Minnesota has down this offseason makes any sense to me. I'd like to think we could get him for Bass, Bogans, and some combination of picks and young guys but who knows...

That's it for now... curious to hear who else you guys might add to the list.

Andrew McCeltic · Post #102 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:25 pm

greenroom31 wrote:In my opinion talk of trading Rondo is premature.

First off, free agency has really just started. You never know which players might become available over the next few weeks, let alone at the trade deadline.

Second, unlike Love or some other star players on teams that aren't in the running for a title, Rondo has never made a peep about not wanting to be here. If anything he has said the opposite -- I think he recognizes that being a captain means something and that Boston is a great franchise with good ownership and management/coaching.

Third, even if Ainge can't bring in another star this year, in 2015 we will have a ton of cap space and assets to acquire other players. I don't think re-signing Rondo and bringing on a guy like LaMarcus Aldridge or Marc Gasol (to name a couple unrestricted free agents in 2015) is totally out of the question. If worse comes to worse and Ainge can't find any guys to come play in Boston he could still try to sign & trade Rondo at that point.

Fourth, Rondo's value can't be very high right now. He only played 30 games last year and was working his way back from injury, so I think if he were to come out and show he has regained his old form that would only increase his value either at the trade deadline or in the offseason.

I'm not saying a Rondo trade is impossible -- it just doesn't seem likely now.

Not saying we should trade him, just where the team might look- and FWIW, I think maybe 2 of those 7 rough trade scenarios I listed have any chance of happening- Monroe S&T or a Hornets overpay...

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GMitchell5 · Post #103 » by **GMitchell5** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:03 pm

Bass, Thornton, Clippers '15 1st, Cavs '16 1st for Stephenson.
Green, Sullinger (or Olynyk), Bos Prot '16 1st for Jefferson.
Sign Deng.

Rondo/Smart/Pressey
Stephenson/Bradley/Johnson
Deng/Young/Wallace
Olynyk/Humphries/Faverani
Jefferson/Zeller/Iverson or FA

Andrew McCeltic · Post #104 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:07 pm

Charlotte's not trading Jefferson, come on guys

KJandHondo35 · Post #105 » by **KJandHondo35** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:17 am

Like this IT signing is confusing the heck otta me... Why are no teams going after Bledsoe 17.7-4.7-5.5 on 48-36-78 splits and 1.6stls a game? Heyward gets a max before FA starts but nothing is going on with this guy... That idea of a S&T of Rondo and their LA 1st got me going, like it a lot, Smart-Bledsoe backcourt = no guards ever being able to score.

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Andrew McCeltic · Post #106 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:38 am

Bledsoe/Len/1st for Rondo would be a nice return..

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Andrew McCeltic · Post #107 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 1:41 am

Hoping MIL gets impatient and does Giannis/Henson/1st for Rondo..

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soxfan2003 · Post #108 » by **soxfan2003** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:39 am

If Houston is interested which is a big if since the Rockets could go in any different direction, I think a Rondo to Houston trade makes the most sense. Houston is going to possibly have to overpay to make something happen within the next 40 hours or they are in bad shape. They have already given up Asik/Lin and traded away a pick to gain cap room.

Unless the Rockets had an actual promise to Parsons as a favor of his agent bringing in Howard, letting him out of his contract was foolish.

BfB · Post #109 » by **BfB** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:28 am

Pretty sure Charlotte will take Jeff Green. Not sure what they'd get back though.

tfmiii · Post #110 » by **tfmiii** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 11:31 am

BfB wrote:Pretty sure Charlotte will take Jeff Green. Not sure what they'd get back though.

Wonder if Charlotte would be willing to part with MKG and Bismack Biyombo for Green?

Post #111 » by **165bows** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:14 pm

soxfan2003 wrote:If Houston is interested which is a big if since the Rockets could go in any different direction, I think a Rondo to Houston trade makes the most sense. Houston is going to possibly have to overpay to make something happen within the next 40 hours or they are in bad shape. They have already given up Asik/Lin and traded away a pick to gain cap room.

Unless the Rockets had an actual promise to Parsons as a favor of his agent bringing in Howard, letting him out of his contract was foolish.

Why bad shape? They are in bad shape in signing an All Star in FA but they can simply resign Parsons with his Bird Rights, they don't have to move anyone to simply match the offer.

They still have the NO pick, Capela, Motiejuanas and some smaller bits to deal off if they want. That's not a great haul but they could get a decent starter for that if they want.

I always thought they'd go after Chalmers as back court depth, wouldn't surprise me if they made him an offer.

Celtsfan1980 · Post #112 » by **Celtsfan1980** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:37 pm

Boston acquires Capela, and Houston acquires Zeller. Celtics acquire a shot-blocking prospect who could compliment Olynyk and Sully, while the Rockets acquire a Center who has shown he can play and back up Dwight. There are reports about contract disputes involving Capela, and he is a gamble for a team with Championship aspirations. Do either teams say no?

greenroom31 · Post #113 » by **greenroom31** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:13 pm

andy582 wrote:Charlotte's not trading Jefferson, come on guys

To be fair, my list wasn't players on the trading block -- it was guys I'd like to see Ainge target.

Also, with the news that Utah has matched Charlotte's offer for Gordon Hayward, it gives a small glimmer of hope

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soxfan2003 · Post #114 » by **soxfan2003** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:28 pm

165bows wrote:
soxfan2003 wrote:If Houston is interested which is a big if since the Rockets could go in any different direction, I think a Rondo to Houston trade makes the most sense. Houston is going to possibly have to overpay to make something happen within the next 40 hours or they are in bad shape. They have already given up Asik/Lin and traded away a pick to gain cap room.

Unless the Rockets had an actual promise to Parsons as a favor of his agent bringing in Howard, letting him out of his contract was foolish.

Why bad shape? They are in bad shape in signing an All Star in FA but they can simply resign Parsons with his Bird Rights, they don't have to move anyone to simply match the offer.

They still have the NO pick, Capela, Motiejuanas and some smaller bits to deal off if they want. That's not a great haul but they could get a decent starter for that if they want.

I always thought they'd go after Chalmers as back court depth, wouldn't surprise me if they made him an offer.

I should have explained myself further... They are in bad shape for a team that went into this off-season with a very realistic goal of becoming a championship team next season. At first I think they wanted Lebron/Bosh/Carmelo and now their fan base is talking about Carlos Boozer....

The clock is ticking on Dwight Howard. He is going to be 29 next December. Howard is not going to be a player that ages as well as a more skilled center/big such as Bosh since Howard is mostly about athleticism and not extremely tall. (This is more relatively speaking since Howard in his prime was a better player than Bosh) Howard's strength will still be there for a long time but his jumping/explosiveness won't be. So realistically the Rockets may just have 3 more seasons in which Howard can play a huge role and if this upcoming season they get worse that is not good at all.

Parson's basically has close to zero value in my estimation signed at 15 million a year. He is not a truly elite shooter like Klay T. I would be upset at Ainge if he traded for a Parson's making 15 million a year. Even Rocket fans admit its a very questionable value that only made sense if they signed a star first.

The Rockets did get a nice asset for Asik but they are giving up an asset to get rid of Lin.

At the end of the day losing Asik and Lin really hurts the depth of their team and they needed a star or at least a couple of very high level role players to make that up and get better.

soxfan2003 · Post #115 » by **soxfan2003** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:31 pm

Celtsfan1980 wrote:Boston acquires Capela, and Houston acquires Zeller. Celtics acquire a shot-blocking prospect who could compliment Olynyk and Sully, while the Rockets acquire a Center who has shown he can play and back up Dwight. There are reports about contract disputes involving Capela, and he is a gamble for a team with Championship aspirations. Do either teams say no?

I don't know that much about Capela -- I know opinions are all over the map -- but not a bad idea if the Celtics think he is worth a gamble. Houston needs immediate help and Zeller may be able to provide it more than Capela. Boston needs a big with more defensive potential.

pfm · Post #116 » by **pfm** » Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:37 pm

tfmiii wrote:
BfB wrote:Pretty sure Charlotte will take Jeff Green. Not sure what they'd get back though.

Wonder if Charlotte would be willing to part with MKG and Bismack Biyombo for Green?

I'd be all over this. I think both would be terrific buy low options. MKG would be a pretty terrible offensive fit with current backcourt, but if we are truly rebuilding it's more important to find talent and worry about fit later down the road.

irie · Post #117 » by **irie** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:02 am

So the Celtics have 2 more TPEs.

Fab Melo $283,816
Courtney Lee $2,090,000

I'm not sure if anything comes of them. But I wouldn't mind the Celtics using that Lee TPE to bring in another crap player + a pick.

bucknersrevenge · Post #118 » by **bucknersrevenge** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:16 am

With Charlotte moving to sign SF Marvin Williams and Houston signing Ariza, that leaves Washington without a starting 3. When will we see Jeff Green's article on random sports rag saying he's going home too?

Andrew McCeltic · Post #119 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 12:36 am

Washington has nothing to offer us in a trade...

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Andrew McCeltic · Post #120 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:40 am

When's the last time a Celtic star demanded a trade? Rondo watches other teams get better, Melo stays in NYK, Love goes to CLE- this is the time of year when a player is most likely to lose patience with his GM...

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