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[London2Boston]

Crowder and Brown will see minutes at the 4. Especially Crowder.

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Better than the formal press interview. Also, Amanda.

IT will be MVP candidate, you heard it here first.

Some guys have a knack for being great players and making it great fun for the fans. Bird and McHale, KG and now IT. He may or may not be top 5 player like those guys but his attitude is awesome. Deifinitely the most valuable player in NBA when you factor in his ridiculous contract.

[SMTBSI]

3000 minutes went to Jerebko and Sully last season. My guess is Jerebko gets more than the 1100 he got, and Amir gets a little less.

I'm guessing Horford gets reeled back to below 2500, Amir may get scaled back a tiny bit, and Olynyk and Jerebko should see a few more minutes.

Would not be surprised to see Brown grabbing minutes at the 4, or at the very least, Brown gives Brad the flexibility at the 3 to use Crowder more at the 4.

Later is probably more likely. Though, I don't see it as at all guaranteed that we'll have the luxury of moving more of Jae's minutes down.

There are a few different ways it could go, but, more than likely, after AB/Jae/Smart you still need to find at least another 2000 minutes at SG/SF, and there's no guarantee yet that any of Brown/Green/Hunter/Young will give you positive contributions there. And then, if you want to move more of Jae's minutes down, you need even more out of that group.


IT(2600); MS(700); (636)
AB(2500); MS(700); (736)
JC(2000); MS(600); (1336)
JC(500); AJ(1700); (1736)
AH(2400); KO(1536)

This is not meant to be literal placement - I don't mean to suggest Smart will spend equal time at all of PG/SG/SF, or that KO or AH will play C exclusively - just a quick and dirty minute assignment to show how many minutes you still need to account for, some way or another, after the obvious top six of IT/AB/Jae/Smart/Amir/Horford.

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IT(2600); MS(700); (636)
AB(2500); MS(700); (736)
JC(2000); MS(600); (1336)
JC(500); AJ(1700); (1736)
AH(2400); KO(1536)

This is not meant to be literal placement - I don't mean to suggest Smart will spend equal time at all of PG/SG/SF, or that KO or AH will play C exclusively - just a quick and dirty minute assignment to show how many minutes you still need to account for, some way or another, after the obvious top six of IT/AB/Jae/Smart/Amir/Horford.

This is actually great. It makes clear what the Celtics' biggest positional need is, something that would be answered incorrectly by most non-Boston fans.

If anything I think the guard totals needing to be filled will in reality need to be higher. IT played 82 games last year, so if anything his minutes will likely go down. Bradley, on the other hand, admitted to high fatigue levels at the end of the season and then ended the playoffs injured. So I think ideal world both of those guys have their minutes go down, and if not ideal world, most likely end up down anyways regardless due to injury.

[ballup]

Don't know if he'll contribute, but he may buy himself another year on the roster.

That's the worst case scenario in my mind. He doesn't do anything (again) but sticks around anyway? No.

I don't think we're going to be getting anything out of Young any time soon, if ever.

Look, Young just turned 21 on August 16th. He's 5 months younger than Bentil. He was a young 19 year old to start his rookie year, one of the youngest players in the draft. He clearly had maturity issues, with focus and professionalism, but it sounds like he's putting those behind him and starting to 'get it'. How far his work ethic can take him, I don't know. But the organization has had success being patient with Avery Bradley and Kendrick Perkins, two players who needed years to start to show anything. Writing off Young at this point would be a mistake. Given his age, it's very likely he has a floor as, at least, a mediocre role player in the league. Hunter hasn't shown an ability to be that, yet, either, and neither has Bentil.

At some point, Young isn't going to have upside in his pocket anymore. There's a lot of Young type players who come to the league so cutting him at this point isn't unheard of. Bradley showcased a specialized skill earpy on to warrant himself minutes. Perk was on a young team. Helps a lot that both were defensive specialists from the get go. That's the one thing most coaches use to let young guys get burn. Young's defense has been bad on so many levels last season in whatever minutes he played.



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[nowyouknow]

3000 minutes went to Jerebko and Sully last season. My guess is Jerebko gets more than the 1100 he got, and Amir gets a little less.

I'm guessing Horford gets reeled back to below 2500, Amir may get scaled back a tiny bit, and Olynyk and Jerebko should see a few more minutes.

Would not be surprised to see Brown grabbing minutes at the 4, or at the very least, Brown gives Brad the flexibility at the 3 to use Crowder more at the 4.

Later is probably more likely. Though, I don't see it as at all guaranteed that we'll have the luxury of moving more of Jae's minutes down.

There are a few different ways it could go, but, more than likely, after AB/Jae/Smart you still need to find at least another 2000 minutes at SG/SF, and there's no guarantee yet that any of Brown/Green/Hunter/Young will give you positive contributions there. And then, if you want to move more of Jae's minutes down, you need even more out of that group.


IT(2600); MS(700); (636)
AB(2500); MS(700); (736)
JC(2000); MS(600); (1336)
JC(500); AJ(1700); (1736)
AH(2400); KO(1536)

This is not meant to be literal placement - I don't mean to suggest Smart will spend equal time at all of PG/SG/SF, or that KO or AH will play C exclusively - just a quick and dirty minute assignment to show how many minutes you still need to account for, some way or another, after the obvious top six of IT/AB/Jae/Smart/Amir/Horford.

I'm very confident in Gerald Green and Jaylen Brown.

The other player who I could see surprising and earning a situational role is Young. It looks like he's bulked up and based on his play style I see that extra weight as a huge plus - he really is more of a 3/4 in terms of his footspeed, so that extra bulk will help him rebound his position.

[TheRev72]

3000 minutes went to Jerebko and Sully last season. My guess is Jerebko gets more than the 1100 he got, and Amir gets a little less.

I'm guessing Horford gets reeled back to below 2500, Amir may get scaled back a tiny bit, and Olynyk and Jerebko should see a few more minutes.

Would not be surprised to see Brown grabbing minutes at the 4, or at the very least, Brown gives Brad the flexibility at the 3 to use Crowder more at the 4.

Later is probably more likely. Though, I don't see it as at all guaranteed that we'll have the luxury of moving more of Jae's minutes down.

There are a few different ways it could go, but, more than likely, after AB/Jae/Smart you still need to find at least another 2000 minutes at SG/SF, and there's no guarantee yet that any of Brown/Green/Hunter/Young will give you positive contributions there. And then, if you want to move more of Jae's minutes down, you need even more out of that group.


IT(2600); MS(700); (636)
AB(2500); MS(700); (736)
JC(2000); MS(600); (1336)
JC(500); AJ(1700); (1736)
AH(2400); KO(1536)

This is not meant to be literal placement - I don't mean to suggest Smart will spend equal time at all of PG/SG/SF, or that KO or AH will play C exclusively - just a quick and dirty minute assignment to show how many minutes you still need to account for, some way or another, after the obvious top six of IT/AB/Jae/Smart/Amir/Horford.

IT(2600); MS(700); (636)
AB(2500); MS(700); (736)

Added together, this leaves about 16 MPG are available at the guard spots. To play alongside Smart, I'd say Green should be the favorite to grab all these minutes in red because he's a more reliable shooter than the (young) competition (Rozier, Hunter, etc.). I'd love it if, by the end of the season, Rozier could reach up and grab these minutes, but he'll need to show some real consistency hitting shots from deep for that to happen, I think.

JC(2000); MS(600); (1336)

Absolutely have to hope that the 16 MPG available off the bench here at SF can be slotted to Brown. It's going to be horrible if they can't.

JC(500); AJ(1700); (1736)
AH(2400); KO(1536)

That's over 20 MPG available for backup bigs. Would not mind at all to see all of those minutes go to Jerebko. But I'd expect Zeller to challenge for time here as well. The advantage of having Jerebko here is that you can have an inverted attack off the bench, with KO, Jerebko, and Gerald Green spreading the floor and thenSmart and Brown attacking the rim.

[the sea duck]

3000 minutes went to Jerebko and Sully last season. My guess is Jerebko gets more than the 1100 he got, and Amir gets a little less.

I'm guessing Horford gets reeled back to below 2500, Amir may get scaled back a tiny bit, and Olynyk and Jerebko should see a few more minutes.

Would not be surprised to see Brown grabbing minutes at the 4, or at the very least, Brown gives Brad the flexibility at the 3 to use Crowder more at the 4.

Later is probably more likely. Though, I don't see it as at all guaranteed that we'll have the luxury of moving more of Jae's minutes down.

There are a few different ways it could go, but, more than likely, after AB/Jae/Smart you still need to find at least another 2000 minutes at SG/SF, and there's no guarantee yet that any of Brown/Green/Hunter/Young will give you positive contributions there. And then, if you want to move more of Jae's minutes down, you need even more out of that group.


IT(2600); MS(700); (636)
AB(2500); MS(700); (736)
JC(2000); MS(600); (1336)
JC(500); AJ(1700); (1736)
AH(2400); KO(1536)

This is not meant to be literal placement - I don't mean to suggest Smart will spend equal time at all of PG/SG/SF, or that KO or AH will play C exclusively - just a quick and dirty minute assignment to show how many minutes you still need to account for, some way or another, after the obvious top six of IT/AB/Jae/Smart/Amir/Horford.

I'm very confident in Gerald Green and Jaylen Brown.

The other player who I could see surprising and earning a situational role is Young. It looks like he's bulked up and based on his play style I see that extra weight as a huge plus - he really is more of a 3/4 in terms of his footspeed, so that extra bulk will help him rebound his position.

You're the first person I've ever heard mention James Young as possibly a small ball 4. But I'm intrigued by the idea. It would depend on him bulking up, however he is a pretty decent rebounder for a guard. His shooting at the 4 should be well above average and his shots should be more open. His drives should be less contested and against slower defenders (whereas now he can't get by guys and forces up weak shots in traffic). I'm not optimistic at all on Young, so I'm just looking for some small sliver of hope. I think you just provided it. It's training camp, after all.

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Don't know if he'll contribute, but he may buy himself another year on the roster.

That's the worst case scenario in my mind. He doesn't do anything (again) but sticks around anyway? No.

I don't think we're going to be getting anything out of Young any time soon, if ever.

Look, Young just turned 21 on August 16th. He's 5 months younger than Bentil. He was a young 19 year old to start his rookie year, one of the youngest players in the draft. He clearly had maturity issues, with focus and professionalism, but it sounds like he's putting those behind him and starting to 'get it'. How far his work ethic can take him, I don't know. But the organization has had success being patient with Avery Bradley and Kendrick Perkins, two players who needed years to start to show anything. Writing off Young at this point would be a mistake. Given his age, it's very likely he has a floor as, at least, a mediocre role player in the league. Hunter hasn't shown an ability to be that, yet, either, and neither has Bentil.

I hear what you're saying. But the I disagree with the bolded/underlined part of your statement. Both Perkins and, especially, Bradley showed something early in their careers. I've seen nothing from James Young. I was excited when they drafted him so if I'm wrong, great. I'm just done hoping for anything from him.

[nowyouknow]

I'm guessing Horford gets reeled back to below 2500, Amir may get scaled back a tiny bit, and Olynyk and Jerebko should see a few more minutes.


Later is probably more likely. Though, I don't see it as at all guaranteed that we'll have the luxury of moving more of Jae's minutes down.

There are a few different ways it could go, but, more than likely, after AB/Jae/Smart you still need to find at least another 2000 minutes at SG/SF, and there's no guarantee yet that any of Brown/Green/Hunter/Young will give you positive contributions there. And then, if you want to move more of Jae's minutes down, you need even more out of that group.


IT(2600); MS(700); (636)
AB(2500); MS(700); (736)
JC(2000); MS(600); (1336)
JC(500); AJ(1700); (1736)
AH(2400); KO(1536)

This is not meant to be literal placement - I don't mean to suggest Smart will spend equal time at all of PG/SG/SF, or that KO or AH will play C exclusively - just a quick and dirty minute assignment to show how many minutes you still need to account for, some way or another, after the obvious top six of IT/AB/Jae/Smart/Amir/Horford.

I'm very confident in Gerald Green and Jaylen Brown.

The other player who I could see surprising and earning a situational role is Young. It looks like he's bulked up and based on his play style I see that extra weight as a huge plus - he really is more of a 3/4 in terms of his footspeed, so that extra bulk will help him rebound his position.

You're the first person I've ever heard mention James Young as possibly a small ball 4. But I'm intrigued by the idea. It would depend on him bulking up, however he is a pretty decent rebounder for a guard. His shooting at the 4 should be well above average and his shots should be more open. His drives should be less contested and against slower defenders (whereas now he can't get by guys and forces up weak shots in traffic). I'm not optimistic at all on Young, so I'm just looking for some small sliver of hope. I think you just provided it. It's training camp, after all.

Well, he's more 3 than 4 of course but in his favor at the 4 we are talking about Young being 6'6.75", with a 7' wingspan and an 8'8" standing reach. If he is up to 230 lbs, that's a pretty big kid and he's always had solid rebounding instincts/toughness.

[celticfan42487]

crowder will get up to 1500 or so with brown or smart playing the 3.

Or Gerald Green, who is a rotational worthy player. Although not a good one.

I guess it's looking like I'm going to see a ton more of Jerebko and Zeller than I was hoping for.

Hopefully we do pull off a deal with the 76ers to get another big, assuming one of our first rounders in RJ Hunter, Young, Brown, Demetrius Jackson(although he's a second rounder) can step it up with Rozier.

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Our % is actually down from previous season (85%) but it still on the high side.

[Parliament10]

Camp Roster (my guess):
IT / Rozier / Jackson / ??
Bradley / Smart / Hunter / Young
Crowder / Brown / Green / Holland
KO / Jerebko / Mickey / Bentil
Horford / Amir / Zeller / Iverson

It's funny, we added a pereniella all-star Center that has reasonably a few years left in very good form, and looking at our roster I still see our bigs and think we really need to improve there hahaha.

Based on what we have, my guess on the rotation of players that will see minutes is basically

IT/ Smart/ Rozier
Bradley / Smart
Crowder/ Brown or Green
Horford/ KO / Crowder
Amir/ Horford

I'm not sure Ben Bentil, Mickey, Iverson, or Young get any minutes this year.

I expect heavy minutes for IT, Bradley, Crowder, Horford and I would rank them as the current core of this years team. Our team will win or die with their play.

I think Demarius Jackson depending on our PG situation, Jerebko, Zeller, and RJ Hunter could get some minutes in that 9 or 10 man rotation I put up there (depends if Jaylen Brown is polished enough for minutes... it would be very easy for Stevens to give them all to Gerald Green and let Brown fight for 3 minutes here and there in blowouts or send him to the D-league.)

It's cutting it short, timing-wise. -- But, KO is actually NOT cleared to play in a game. -- He's only cleared for non-contact drills. And will be re-evaluated on Oct. 15. -- We'll be playing our 5th preseason game that day.
So KO may, or may not, be set to play in a game, when the Regular Season starts.


Preseason Roster:

Thomas / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Smart / Hunter / Georges-Hunt / Lee
Crowder / Brown / Green / Young / Jones
Amir J. / Jerebko / Bentil
Horford / Zeller / Mickey / Olynyk (Injured)



(Likely) Regular Season Roster:

Thomas / Rozier / Jackson
Bradley / Smart / Hunter
Crowder / Brown / Green
Amir J. / Jerebko / Mickey
Horford / Zeller / Olynyk

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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2659663-kelly-olynyk-injury-updates-on-celtics-forwards-recovery-from-shoulder-surgery#

Boston Celtics head coach Brad Stevens announced Monday that Kelly Olynyk is medically cleared for non-contact drills, but his availability for the start of the 2016-17 season remains in doubt, according to Chris Forsberg of ESPN.com....

The 25-year-old is entering a pivotal season since he can become a restricted free agent in the offseason. While he has shown himself to be a dependable rotational big man, he also failed to play in more than 70 games in any of his first three years in the league.

Olynyk averaged a healthy 10.0 points and 4.1 rebounds in 20.2 minutes per game in 2015-16, but a shoulder injury knocked him out for a stretch last winter and limited him in the postseason.

The offseason addition of Al Horford has meant Olynyk isn't as integral to Boston's success in 2016-17. Horford is a solid scorer and rebounder whose talents are often underrated. Stevens will likely look to Tyler Zeller more to pick up any minutes Olynyk potentially leaves in his absence.

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Our % is actually down from previous season (85%) but it still on the high side.

Brooklyn dead last on that chart. Will be fascinating to watch how quickly they can come together or if being down in talent and continuity will get them coming and going.

[Homerclease]

Still don't think Green makes this team especially now with the hip flexor, hopefully Hunter and Young can capitalize

[Parliament10]

Still don't think Green makes this team especially now with the hip flexor, hopefully Hunter and Young can capitalize

The injury is not supposed to keep him from playing in Training Camp.
But it would be Great to see Hunter, at least, propel himself forward.

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[JJHondo17]

Going into his 7th year and AB still can't knock down bunnies, even in 2-on-1 practice drills.

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Agreed, we should just cut him and save ourselves the aggravation!

[return2glory]

Why are people still talking about James Young?

[Banks2Pierce]

Going into his 7th year and AB still can't knock down bunnies, even in 2-on-1 practice drills.

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[ConstableGeneva]

I just noticed Al Horford was 4th last season in FG% within 3 feet, minimum of 100 FGAs (Bradley was 12th -- which is crazy good for someone his size). I didn't realize he was that good around the basket. In comparison, Sully was 170th (56.6%).

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