Proposed 2017-18 Celtics Roster? -- (UPDATE)

Gomes3PC · Post #101 » by **Gomes3PC** » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:37 pm

If George Hill or Gordon Hayward leave Utah, perhaps the Jazz would be interested in a Favors for Bradley+ Non-Nets 1st trade? Both Bradley and Favors are impending FAs, but I just don't see how Utah sticks long-term with Favors in the post next to Gobert. If Hayward or Hill leave, they will have a need for a defense-minded guard who can shoot in the back court, and Avery is young enough to slot with Hood/Gobert.

robbie84 · Post #102 » by **robbie84** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:49 am

forte74 wrote:
Wow, realliy?
A 7-footer, that hits 3's and has good BBIQ. You don't think that we should re-sign him to the 2nd, or 3rd Unit?
I mean, we're paying Zeller (of all people) $8Mil.

On paper he sure looks good , problem is that he does not hit the 3 with a high percentage. Come to think of it there are options : Bogdanovic, Teletovic

Another problem is that he positions himself awkwardly during games , if u watch carefully, sometimes he positions himself directly under the basket, almost impossible for teammates to pass to him .

Our best line up has Kelly at the 4 and Horford at the 5.
If you don't understand why this is you are miles off with those 2 bums bogdanovic and teletovic joining us.

With his caphold being only 7.7 million we will be trying our best to keep him 100% guaranteed.
These people that think we are letting KO walk are fkn high as kites!

robbie84 · Post #103 » by **robbie84** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:53 am

Gomes3PC wrote:If George Hill or Gordon Hayward leave Utah, perhaps the Jazz would be interested in a Favors for Bradley+ Non-Nets 1st trade? Both Bradley and Favors are impending FAs, but I just don't see how Utah sticks long-term with Favors in the post next to Gobert. If Hayward or Hill leave, they will have a need for a defense-minded guard who can shoot in the back court, and Avery is young enough to slot with Hood/Gobert.

Not a good fit with Horford. We want a guy who can defend pick and roll and defend basket but also play in the post when Horford drifts 18+feet from basket.

Kelly shoots 3's AND does all of the above-the dude is criminally under rated around here and he'll potentially be starting here if we manage to keep him this offseason.
He is honestly one of the most versatile players in the NBA. Kind of guy the Spurs would absolutely love long term.

Gomes3PC · Post #104 » by **Gomes3PC** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 2:16 pm

robbie84 wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:If George Hill or Gordon Hayward leave Utah, perhaps the Jazz would be interested in a Favors for Bradley+ Non-Nets 1st trade? Both Bradley and Favors are impending FAs, but I just don't see how Utah sticks long-term with Favors in the post next to Gobert. If Hayward or Hill leave, they will have a need for a defense-minded guard who can shoot in the back court, and Avery is young enough to slot with Hood/Gobert.

Not a good fit with Horford. We want a guy who can defend pick and roll and defend basket but also play in the post when Horford drifts 18+feet from basket.

Kelly shoots 3's AND does all of the above-the dude is criminally under rated around here and he'll potentially be starting here if we manage to keep him this offseason.
He is honestly one of the most versatile players in the NBA. Kind of guy the Spurs would absolutely love long term.

That bolded part describes Favors pretty much to a T. He is a very good perimeter defender for his size, and is large/strong enough to grapple with true centers so Horford can play the smaller guy when needed (ie, like the Pistons game where Amir took Drummond).

williambh3 · Post #105 » by **williambh3** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:21 pm

Draft 1. Fultz, 2. Ball, or 3. Smith Jr.
Sign Hayward for max
Trade Bradley for the best future 1st and/or swap you can get (PHI, MIL, MIN, ATL), best case = Philly's 2019 unprotected SAC pick
Trade Rozier + 2nd for O'Quinn
Sign Olynyk for 4 yrs $56m
Bring over Zizic, leave Yabu abroad one more season

IT/BRK Pick
Hayward/Smart
Crowder/Brown
Horford/Olynyk
O'Quinn/Zizic

TheOGJabroni · Post #106 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:34 pm

williambh3 wrote:Draft 1. Fultz, 2. Ball, or 3. Smith Jr.
Sign Hayward for max
Trade Bradley for the best future 1st and/or swap you can get (PHI, MIL, MIN, ATL), best case = Philly's 2019 unprotected SAC pick
Trade Rozier + 2nd for O'Quinn
Sign Olynyk for 4 yrs $56m
Bring over Zizic, leave Yabu abroad one more season

IT/BRK Pick
Hayward/Smart
Crowder/Brown
Horford/Olynyk
O'Quinn/Zizic

I was under the impression that if we sign a max free agent, we essentially cannot keep Olynyk even if we trade Bradley (assuming his salary is greater than Bradley's current deal). I would like this roster though.

OFWGKTA · Post #107 » by **OFWGKTA** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:38 pm

CsBsSoxPhins wrote:
williambh3 wrote:Draft 1. Fultz, 2. Ball, or 3. Smith Jr.
Sign Hayward for max
Trade Bradley for the best future 1st and/or swap you can get (PHI, MIL, MIN, ATL), best case = Philly's 2019 unprotected SAC pick
Trade Rozier + 2nd for O'Quinn
Sign Olynyk for 4 yrs $56m
Bring over Zizic, leave Yabu abroad one more season

IT/BRK Pick
Hayward/Smart
Crowder/Brown
Horford/Olynyk
O'Quinn/Zizic

I was under the impression that if we sign a max free agent, we essentially cannot keep Olynyk even if we trade Bradley (assuming his salary is greater than Bradley's current deal). I would like this roster though.

If we trade AB for picks, that offsets having to renounce Kelly.

williambh3 · Post #108 » by **williambh3** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:06 pm

OFWGKTA wrote:
CsBsSoxPhins wrote:
williambh3 wrote:Draft 1. Fultz, 2. Ball, or 3. Smith Jr.
Sign Hayward for max
Trade Bradley for the best future 1st and/or swap you can get (PHI, MIL, MIN, ATL), best case = Philly's 2019 unprotected SAC pick
Trade Rozier + 2nd for O'Quinn
Sign Olynyk for 4 yrs $56m
Bring over Zizic, leave Yabu abroad one more season

IT/BRK Pick
Hayward/Smart
Crowder/Brown
Horford/Olynyk
O'Quinn/Zizic

I was under the impression that if we sign a max free agent, we essentially cannot keep Olynyk even if we trade Bradley (assuming his salary is greater than Bradley's current deal). I would like this roster though.

If we trade AB for picks, that offsets having to renounce Kelly.

Correct, we would have the choice of Bradley or Olynyk + whatever we can get for Bradley (assuming Olynyk does not sign a contract somewhere else first)

TheOGJabroni · Post #109 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:07 pm

williambh3 wrote:
OFWGKTA wrote:
CsBsSoxPhins wrote:I was under the impression that if we sign a max free agent, we essentially cannot keep Olynyk even if we trade Bradley (assuming his salary is greater than Bradley's current deal). I would like this roster though.

If we trade AB for picks, that offsets having to renounce Kelly.

Correct, we would have the choice of Bradley or Olynyk + whatever we can get for Bradley (assuming Olynyk does not sign a contract somewhere else first)

Thanks for the clarification. That layout is basically what I expect as well then. If we can't sign Hayward, keep Bradley and hopefully still find a way to acquire someone like O'Quinn. I don't know how much Ainge actually values him though.

TheOGJabroni · Post #110 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Tue Feb 28, 2017 9:27 pm

This is going to be such an interesting offseason. I would assume most people think we will likely draft a top flight prospect & potentially sign a max contract free agent.

Right now, we have a decent mix of win-now players (IT, AL, Jae, AB), middle of the road role players (Amir, Jerebko, Green), and promising youth (Marcus, Brown, Rozier). Next season we could see a massive divide where we eliminate the middle of the road players & add to the win-now (Hayward, Griffin) & youth players (Fultz, Ball, Jackson + Zizic, Yabusele, Nader)

If our youth players can provide the proper support as role players to our win-now guys while continuing to develop, we could really be in a unique spot. This system reminds me a bit of the Spurs, which is kind of the gold standard for team building. We have our core group of guys that are going to be dark horses as contenders. If we can hit big with one of Brown or the other two BK picks coming our way and find our own Duncan, this team will have incredible sustainability for a long time.

Post #111 » by **Parliament10** » Wed Mar 1, 2017 3:09 am

CsBsSoxPhins wrote:This is going to be such an interesting offseason. I would assume most people think we will likely draft a top flight prospect & potentially sign a max contract free agent.

Right now, we have a decent mix of win-now players (IT, AL, Jae, AB), middle of the road role players (Amir, Jerebko, Green), and promising youth (Marcus, Brown, Rozier). Next season we could see a massive divide where we eliminate the middle of the road players & add to the win-now (Hayward, Griffin) & youth players (Fultz, Ball, Jackson + Zizic, Yabusele, Nader)

If our youth players can provide the proper support as role players to our win-now guys while continuing to develop, we could really be in a unique spot. This system reminds me a bit of the Spurs, which is kind of the gold standard for team building. We have our core group of guys that are going to be dark horses as contenders. If we can hit big with one of Brown or the other two BK picks coming our way and find our own Duncan, this team will have incredible sustainability for a long time.

I definitely see the "middle of the road" players on the way out.: Johnson, Zeller, Green, Young.
But I can see reasons for keeping Jerebko, and Olynyk.
Demetrius Jackson and Mickey, I'm not so sure about. Neither has done much in the NBA.
But we do have those Two-Way Contracts coming.

2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / Fultz / Jackson?
Bradley / Smart / Rozier / Rookie = Two-Way Contract
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Jerebko / Yabusele
Center / Žižić -- / Olynyk / Mickey? = Two-Way Contract

TheOGJabroni · Post #112 » by **TheOGJabroni** » Wed Mar 1, 2017 3:29 am

Parliament10 wrote:
CsBsSoxPhins wrote:This is going to be such an interesting offseason. I would assume most people think we will likely draft a top flight prospect & potentially sign a max contract free agent.

Right now, we have a decent mix of win-now players (IT, AL, Jae, AB), middle of the road role players (Amir, Jerebko, Green), and promising youth (Marcus, Brown, Rozier). Next season we could see a massive divide where we eliminate the middle of the road players & add to the win-now (Hayward, Griffin) & youth players (Fultz, Ball, Jackson + Zizic, Yabusele, Nader)

If our youth players can provide the proper support as role players to our win-now guys while continuing to develop, we could really be in a unique spot. This system reminds me a bit of the Spurs, which is kind of the gold standard for team building. We have our core group of guys that are going to be dark horses as contenders. If we can hit big with one of Brown or the other two BK picks coming our way and find our own Duncan, this team will have incredible sustainability for a long time.

I definitely see the "middle of the road" players on the way out.: Johnson, Zeller, Green, Young.
But I can see reasons for keeping Jerebko, and Olynyk.
Demetrius Jackson and Mickey, I'm not so sure about. Neither has done much in the NBA.
But we do have those Two-Way Contracts coming.

2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / Fultz / Jackson?
Bradley / Smart / Rozier / Rookie = Two-Way Contract
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Jerebko / Yabusele
Center / Žižić -- / Olynyk / Mickey? = Two-Way Contract

I kind of omitted Olynyk because I think he's going to sign a contract we're just not comfortable matching. Wouldn't mind him back. Jerebko, I do like but I'm pretty indifferent on. Might as well bring guys like Jackson and Mickey back too. The more familiarity, the better and at least Jackson could surprise people. I think we know what Mickey is at this point. He's easily expendable.

BakersDozen · Post #113 » by **BakersDozen** » Wed Mar 1, 2017 3:26 pm

Thomas/rozier
Brown/smart
Crowder/Josh Jackson
Galo/Zbo/Yabbadabbadoo
Horford/Zizic

I put Galo there not so much because i want him but I think Ainge does. No idea what Ainge does with Bradley... But i think one of IT/AB/Smart is gone. Zbo is a guy this team desperately needs.

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Post #114 » by **Parliament10** » Thu Mar 2, 2017 4:59 pm

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GoodVibezin · Post #115 » by **GoodVibezin** » Fri Mar 3, 2017 12:00 am

I think Ante Zizic will greatly improve the Celtics next season. He brings what the team really needs: rebounding and the ability to clear the paint. He's looks like he's got at least 20 more pounds of muscle than Olynyk. He's already established a reputation for being tough as he likes to bang and bruise in the post.

IT, Bradley, Crowder, Horford, Zizic

We draft Lonzo Ball!!!

Second unit (and future lineup):

Ball, Smart, Brown, Yabu, Olynyk

The starting lineup is stronger. The bench is stronger. We get a step closer to another banner.

Crossy2008 · Post #116 » by **Crossy2008** » Fri Mar 3, 2017 4:03 pm

In today's NBA, rookies need a couple years to bring their games up to NBA levels. 3 or 4 year college player tend to be more prepared, but most of the best talent is out once draft eligible. The rare exception is LeBron. Even Durant and Westbrook took a year or two to be good enough to start winning games. Kobe took a couple seasons to get up to speed. Pierce was much more refined after three seasons at Kansas.

This isn't anything new, and I think most of us here realize that the NBA sacrifices player readiness for high end potential. So, when it comes to the 2017-2018 roster the Nets pick selection is not going to be ready to contribute significantly. If the Celtics select Ball or Fultz, they will likely get playing time similar to what Rozier has gotten this season. If they select Tatum or Jackson, then I could see a slightly more pronounced role than Rozier's role this season.

Smart's versatility will be key when determining next year's roster. Whether the Celtics draft a guard or forward, they can just shift Smart around to balance the roster. I think Young and Rozier are likely to be on the move. Zeller will also probably hit the road. I can see Amir getting an offer to stick around for another season while Zizic gets up to speed. I don't think the starting lineup changes next season to start the year. IT/AB/Jae/Al/Amir with a bunch of highly skilled young dudes coming off the bench. Smart/Brown/Zizic will likely be the top three bench players along with the Nets pick. As the season goes on, AB, Jae, and Amir could be moved to the bench for Brown or Zizic. I don't think the Net's pick is going to earn a starting job in year one.

ddb · Post #117 » by **ddb** » Fri Mar 3, 2017 6:42 pm

GoodVibezin wrote:I think Ante Zizic will greatly improve the Celtics next season. He brings what the team really needs: rebounding and the ability to clear the paint. He's looks like he's got at least 20 more pounds of muscle than Olynyk. He's already established a reputation for being tough as he likes to bang and bruise in the post.

IT, Bradley, Crowder, Horford, Zizic

We draft Lonzo Ball!!!

Second unit (and future lineup):

Ball, Smart, Brown, Yabu, Olynyk

The starting lineup is stronger. The bench is stronger. We get a step closer to another banner.

This could certainly happen.

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Post #118 » by **Parliament10** » Fri Mar 3, 2017 7:27 pm

GoodVibezin wrote:I think Ante Zizic will greatly improve the Celtics next season. He brings what the team really needs: rebounding and the ability to clear the paint. He's looks like he's got at least 20 more pounds of muscle than Olynyk. He's already established a reputation for being tough as he likes to bang and bruise in the post.

IT, Bradley, Crowder, Horford, Zizic

We draft Lonzo Ball!!!

Second unit (and future lineup):

Ball, Smart, Brown, Yabu, Olynyk

The starting lineup is stronger. The bench is stronger. We get a step closer to another banner.

You have Žižić, Olynyk and Yabusele up a Rotation, over what I'm thinking.
Žižić Starting right-off-the-bat would be kinda tough. I'd like someone like Drummond in that role.
Jerebko too, I think would be over Yabusele, at first.

2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / Fultz / Jackson?
Bradley / Smart / Rozier / Rookie = Two-Way Contract
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Jerebko / Yabusele
Center / Žižić -- / Olynyk / Mickey? = Two-Way Contract

2017-18 Proposed Roster:
Thomas / Fultz / Jackson?
Bradley / Smart / Rozier / Rookie = Two-Way Contract
Crowder / Brown / Nader
Horford / Yabusele / Jerebko
Žižić -- / Olynyk / Mickey? = Two-Way Contract

Crossy2008 wrote:In today's NBA, rookies need a couple years to bring their games up to NBA levels. 3 or 4 year college player tend to be more prepared, but most of the best talent is out once draft eligible. The rare exception is LeBron. Even Durant and Westbrook took a year or two to be good enough to start winning games. Kobe took a couple seasons to get up to speed. Pierce was much more refined after three seasons at Kansas.

This isn't anything new, and I think most of us here realize that the NBA sacrifices player readiness for high end potential. So, when it comes to the 2017-2018 roster the Nets pick selection is not going to be ready to contribute significantly. If the Celtics select Ball or Fultz, they will likely get playing time similar to what Rozier has gotten this season. If they select Tatum or Jackson, then I could see a slightly more pronounced role than Rozier's role this season.

Smart's versatility will be key when determining next year's roster. Whether the Celtics draft a guard or forward, they can just shift Smart around to balance the roster. I think Young and Rozier are likely to be on the move. Zeller will also probably hit the road. I can see Amir getting an offer to stick around for another season while Zizic gets up to speed. I don't think the starting lineup changes next season to start the year. IT/AB/Jae/Al/Amir with a bunch of highly skilled young dudes coming off the bench. Smart/Brown/Zizic will likely be the top three bench players along with the Nets pick. As the season goes on, AB, Jae, and Amir could be moved to the bench for Brown or Zizic. I don't think the Net's pick is going to earn a starting job in year one.

I think that we want to keep as much continuity as possible.
With that, I think that Rozier will still be here.

I hope to goodness that Grandpa Amir isn't on this team next season.
Jae I can see going to the Bench, for Brown, later in the year.
But Bradley, is our #2 Scorer, and very good on Defense too.

Post #119 » by **Parliament10** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:34 pm

If we don't get a Starting Center in the Offseason, you think that Žižić could actually Start?

And, what would that make us, if he did?

Homerclease · Post #120 » by **Homerclease** » Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:39 pm

Parliament10 wrote:If we don't get a Starting Center in the Offseason, you think that Žižić could actually Start?

And, what would that make us, if he did?

I'm gonna say no. I think he's going to struggle with foul trouble early on. As an energy big off the bench is likely the best scenario for him

Q: Who is Likely to be on the 2017-18 Roster? (Rem: 2 x Two-Ways)