All Things 2017 Draft

[threrf23]

I think Monk is underrated because he plays with a ball dominant guy in Fox. Same with Tatum on Duke -- he played with a few upperclassmen who wanted to get theirs and they had no real PG to share the ball so he had to create for himself and wait his turn to play offense.

Or Monk could be overrated by playing alongside a good PG?

Not to jump to conclusions, but I was watching Kentucky for the first time on Sunday, and Fox instantly passed the eye test for me. He just looked like an NBA player. And there are no red flags in his scouting capsules or stats. Kentucky actually had a better turnover margin than UCLA this season. I find using team stats to judge prospects historically misleads me, but if Fox was ball dominant, and Kentucky had a good TO margin despite its roster's inexperience, I think it says something nice about him.

I need to be sold on Tatum. Duke might not have had great guard play, but they had spacing and a friendly system that has showcased lots of guys like Tatum over the years. My main hang up is that while reading about Tatum before the season, he sounded a bit too Carmelo-like for my tastes.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I think Monk is underrated because he plays with a ball dominant guy in Fox. Same with Tatum on Duke -- he played with a few upperclassmen who wanted to get theirs and they had no real PG to share the ball so he had to create for himself and wait his turn to play offense.

Or Monk could be overrated by playing alongside a good PG?

Not to jump to conclusions, but I was watching Kentucky for the first time on Sunday, and Fox instantly passed the eye test for me. He just looked like an NBA player. And there are no red flags in his scouting capsules or stats. Kentucky actually had a better turnover margin than UCLA this season. I find using team stats to judge prospects historically misleads me, but if Fox was ball dominant, and Kentucky had a good TO margin despite its roster's inexperience, I think it says something nice about him.

I need to be sold on Tatum. Duke might not have had great guard play, but they had spacing and a friendly system that has showcased lots of guys like Tatum over the years. My main hang up is that while reading about Tatum before the season, he sounded a bit too Carmelo-like for my tastes.

He is like Carmelo game wise, but not personality wise. He's also not a selfish chucker or a diva with a poor attitude.

[greenroom31]

Or Monk could be overrated by playing alongside a good PG?

My (unclear) point was that Monk doesn't get to showcase his other abilities that much since Fox has the ball in his hands most of the time. I think he's actually a better dribbler, passer and all-around athlete than he gets credit for from some people who view him as purely a shooter.

Not to jump to conclusions, but I was watching Kentucky for the first time on Sunday, and Fox instantly passed the eye test for me. He just looked like an NBA player. And there are no red flags in his scouting capsules or stats. Kentucky actually had a better turnover margin than UCLA this season. I find using team stats to judge prospects historically misleads me, but if Fox was ball dominant, and Kentucky had a good TO margin despite its roster's inexperience, I think it says something nice about him.

I also like Fox, but I have watched him several times this year. He has some good games and some bad games, so depending on the day you can have a substantially different opinion about him. My concern about him is mostly about how his best skill, his ability to get to the hoop will be affected by playing against better athletes and bigger/longer guys. He sometimes gets into the paint and doesn't have a game plan and I could see him being a little out of control for a while in the NBA. Overall I like the guy though.

I need to be sold on Tatum. Duke might not have had great guard play, but they had spacing and a friendly system that has showcased lots of guys like Tatum over the years. My main hang up is that while reading about Tatum before the season, he sounded a bit too Carmelo-like for my tastes.

Duke had a terrible offensive system this year. They were 184th in assists and 284th in assist per FGM in the NCAA this year. https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/assists-per-game

All they did was space and play ISO, and he was in line behind Grayson Allen, Luke Kennard, and occasionally Frank Jackson for touches. It might have been a good situation for him to excel if he had been "the guy" but he really didn't get that opportunity until the very end of the season. (I watched Duke a lot this season and am somewhat scarred)

[MaxwellSmart]

IF we somehow get Fultz---does he get to wear his No. 20 Jersey--???

[greenroom31]

IF we somehow get Fultz---does he get to wear his No. 20 Jersey--???

What, are we going to retire Ray Allen's jersey?

[ddb]

IF we somehow get Fultz---does he get to wear his No. 20 Jersey--???

absolutely

[ddb]

another offseason scenario.

draft Ball or Fultz.....trade Brown/Rozier/Zeller(can have contract declined by new team)/BK18 to Indy for PG13

will have a bit less than max, but convince Millsap to come over on 3 year less than max to join a contender and play with Horford again.

Zizic/Yabu/Nader signed

SMack and Jonas vet min deals

IT-AB-PG13-Millsap-Horford
Ball-Smart-Jae-Zizic
Mack-Minny 2nd-Nader-Jonas-Yabusele-Vet min

[Homerclease]

I have it

Fultz
Jackson
Ball
Tatum
DSJ
Isaac
Fox
Bridges
Monk
OG

As my top 10 right now with Lauri, Frank just outside the top 10. I'm far less keen on trading down now as I was before as I think the top 3 have begun to separate themselves. I really think this is the year the lotto finally smiles upon us and we win the top pick though.

[ViperGTS]

another offseason scenario.

draft Ball or Fultz.....trade Brown/Rozier/Zeller(can have contract declined by new team)/BK18 to Indy for PG13

will have a bit less than max, but convince Millsap to come over on 3 year less than max to join a contender and play with Horford again.

Zizic/Yabu/Nader signed

SMack and Jonas vet min deals

IT-AB-PG13-Millsap-Horford
Ball-Smart-Jae-Zizic
Mack-Minny 2nd-Nader-Jonas-Yabusele-Vet min

You aren't trading Brown and BKN 18 for one year of PG. Mabe one of them but not both.

[reload141]

another offseason scenario.

draft Ball or Fultz.....trade Brown/Rozier/Zeller(can have contract declined by new team)/BK18 to Indy for PG13

will have a bit less than max, but convince Millsap to come over on 3 year less than max to join a contender and play with Horford again.

Zizic/Yabu/Nader signed

SMack and Jonas vet min deals

IT-AB-PG13-Millsap-Horford
Ball-Smart-Jae-Zizic
Mack-Minny 2nd-Nader-Jonas-Yabusele-Vet min

You aren't trading Brown and BKN 18 for one year of PG. Mabe one of them but not both.

What if he guarantees to sign an extension upon the trade

[ddb]

another offseason scenario.

draft Ball or Fultz.....trade Brown/Rozier/Zeller(can have contract declined by new team)/BK18 to Indy for PG13

will have a bit less than max, but convince Millsap to come over on 3 year less than max to join a contender and play with Horford again.

Zizic/Yabu/Nader signed

SMack and Jonas vet min deals

IT-AB-PG13-Millsap-Horford
Ball-Smart-Jae-Zizic
Mack-Minny 2nd-Nader-Jonas-Yabusele-Vet min

You aren't trading Brown and BKN 18 for one year of PG. Mabe one of them but not both.

Give me a break. PG13 isn't going anywhere if he joins that kind of roster in Boston.

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[Bar Fight]

I don't get why people are so eager to build pseudo "win now" super teams that likely aren't winning a title. George is a great player, but he's not even top 7-8 in the league. If he's top 10, he probably just barely gets in. You need one of those top 5 guys to win a title, especially with how much talent the best players have around them in this league (Lebron, KD, Curry, Kawhi). Giving up Brown/Nets '18 is too big of a price. That's basically two our of three most valuable assets and potentially two of the top 3 players of our future core. I'd give that up only for a move that makes us the favorites to win a title.

[KumaJG]

I can see us drafting him. Another player in this draft that can't shoot

Didn't you do a thread in December mockingly congratulating Ainge for passing on Giannis? Pick one side of the argument at least.

It's a decent little debate if it's framed without snark. Seems half of the All Stars have built off of questionable shots and half have obviously been good shooters from early on. Almost as if there's a bit of nuance to the draft.

Pick a side in what argument?

Danny Ainge as a type of player. De'Aaron Fox & Josh Jackson fits that mold. Players that does a little bit of every thing except shoot.I would be fine with these type of players if we had a shooting coach.

Just a because a player can learn how to shoot don't mean he will develop into a shooter.. Only a handful of players actually fixed their jumpshot.

[Homerclease]

I can see us drafting him. Another player in this draft that can't shoot

Didn't you do a thread in December mockingly congratulating Ainge for passing on Giannis? Pick one side of the argument at least.

It's a decent little debate if it's framed without snark. Seems half of the All Stars have built off of questionable shots and half have obviously been good shooters from early on. Almost as if there's a bit of nuance to the draft.

Pick a side in what argument?

Danny Ainge as a type of player. De'Aaron Fox & Josh Jackson fits that mold. Players that does a little bit of every thing except shoot.I would be fine with these type of players if we had a shooting coach.

Just a because a player can learn how to shoot don't mean he will develop into a shooter.. Only a handful of players actually fixed their jumpshot.

Josh Jackson can shoot though so I don't understand this argument

[Asian Celtic]

The upcoming game against UK might be HUGE for Ball. Show em how it's done!

[Curmudgeon]

Well, Ainge will be picking high enough so that they will all be in for workouts. This will be interesting.

[C-West]

I know folks are fretting about ending up with the 4th pick - a worst case situation to be sure, particularly if you believe there are only 3 tier-one players. But there is a HUGE silver lining if that happens. For us to get stuck at 4th necessarily means that the Lakers will lose their pick this year, as well as a first rounder in 2019. So hopefully the Nets don't choke this huge lead they have and we can all relax on Lottery Day.

[AlCelticFan]

I'm selfishly intrigued to see Ball on tis team. If he could basically be a Rondo that an shoot from deep, and not be ball dominant like Rondo was, then that could be an awesome addition to our team. And he's tall, so can play with both IT and AB...

A Rondo that can shoot, and not be ball-dominant... is that a 6-6 Chris Paul?

[31to6]

I'm selfishly intrigued to see Ball on tis team. If he could basically be a Rondo that an shoot from deep, and not be ball dominant like Rondo was, then that could be an awesome addition to our team. And he's tall, so can play with both IT and AB...

A Rondo that can shoot, and not be ball-dominant... is that a 6-6 Chris Paul?

PGs so rarely carry teams to titles. Including Chris Paul (and no, Lonzo can't get wherever he wants on the court like CP can). Including AI, Nash, Payton, Stockton -- the successes are Magic and Isaiah. That's about it in NBA history, right? Maybe Frazier.. but we're going pretty darn far back.

Anyway for this alone -- and also the fact that I like him a lot more as a prospect -- I take Jackson over Ball every time.

[AlCelticFan]

I'm selfishly intrigued to see Ball on tis team. If he could basically be a Rondo that an shoot from deep, and not be ball dominant like Rondo was, then that could be an awesome addition to our team. And he's tall, so can play with both IT and AB...

A Rondo that can shoot, and not be ball-dominant... is that a 6-6 Chris Paul?

PGs so rarely carry teams to titles. I take Jackson over Ball every time.

That doesn't mean Jackson will be offensively dominant enough to carry us either though.