All things Draft Pick. #3

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This just means we aren't pushing all our chips in for a short sighted move? We are splitting our major chip and using half to develop young talent and the other half to improve the team?

I'm sorry but how is that not winning?

[The Rondo Show]

Bob Cooney‏ @BobCooney76

Markelle Fultz not exactly impressing with his shooting so far

Spinning this positive - Fultz didn't shoot well with the Celtics, nor with the Sixers. He had 67% FT%. Is he an overrated shooter? Because the line of demarcation for Fultz can become in the NBA is strictly correlated with how well he can shoot.

What I definitely do like is that Ainge now has 3 strong assets - #3, Nets 2018 and LAL/SAC - to play with. But if we end up with Josh Jackson only, I'll definitely be disappointed.

I tend to agree with this. I'm fine with the trade (though I was holding out hope for Ainge doing a number on Colangelo and getting both the Lakers and Kings picks, both unprotected) as I think some have gotten carried away with Fultz potential. I see more of a future all-star who is a #2 on a title team than anything close to a #1. And that's with me not even thinking his shooting is overrated, I think it's his solid but not great athleticism that could hold him back. Some compare him to James Harden but he couldn't drive against NCAA athletes at the same level Harden does against NBA athletes. He also seems to try and avoid contact for acrobatic finishes (which he's good at, but are always less efficient than just getting to the line a ton like Harden does) at the rim in a Kyrie or Rose esque style that leads to a far worse FT rate than Harden had in both college and NBA.

I think he's the clear #1 in this draft still, but his upside isn't the kind of player who leads a team to championships or championship contention to me. Fortunately for PHI, they have Embiid as that guy IF he stays healthy. Now that would've been a guy I'd refuse to deal.

But like you, I'll be a lot happier if the pick is moved for an in their prime stud and it becomes Fultz for that stud and we get that Lakers/Kings probable top 5 pick of future to help replace Fultz upside down the line. Even if you don't quite get a Fultz level prospect with that pick, I think you can come close and you picked up a player who I project to be better than Fultz tops out as in Butler or George (granted without age and the cheapness of the contract). If we just pick a Jackson or a Tatum and then target a Hayward too, I become very confused by how the roster fits. I think there's another shoe to drop though.

[Diamondman07]

So, any chance we trade down to 5 and 10? Trade the 5 and other picks for Butler and then drafting DSJ at 10 maybe? We've brought him in for 2 workouts now.

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I had this EXACT thought. Kings want to move up to 3rd for a PG, so that means Tatum or Jackson will be at 5, I'd be happy with either at the 3, but move to 5 get another asset.

either way, if Boston uses the #3 pick I'll be sad

[BigTrade92]

Here's you the day of the Nets trade:
viewtopic.php?p=36301037#p36301037



Take a seat and eat your applesauce. When I want your opinion, I will have your nurse crush it up and mix it with your Metamucil.

Shhhh!!!!

Excellent use of the look up feature. Yes, many of us we're upset at the time that Pierce wasn't able to retire a Celtic. It still pisses me off. Sorry, emotionally I wasn't happy he didn't get that opportunity. In hindsight, excellent trade.

Still doesn't change the fact that pushing all our chips in now is a shortsighted move that forces our hand to go all in. Trading for a 30 year old Butler just so we can loses in the Finals doesn't really change that.

Honestly not mad, but just as an FYI, any discussions between us just ended forever a post ago.

That was a decapitation strike.

Nah, resorting to cheap tricks by digging up an old quote to try and prove that this completely separate trade years later was a stroke of genius is lazy. Saying that I've been wrong once before doesn't mean I'm wrong now. So when you're wrong about this, I'll come back in time and dig this quote up for you and shove it in your face like a giant douchebag.

[Asian Celtic]

Ironic that the ones who disagreed with the trade are still awake while those who thought this isn't really bad and trusts ainge might be having a good nights sleep.

[ViperGTS]

Excellent use of the look up feature. Yes, many of us we're upset at the time that Pierce wasn't able to retire a Celtic. It still pisses me off. Sorry, emotionally I wasn't happy he didn't get that opportunity. In hindsight, excellent trade.

Still doesn't change the fact that pushing all our chips in now is a shortsighted move that forces our hand to go all in. Trading for a 30 year old Butler just so we can loses in the Finals doesn't really change that.

Honestly not mad, but just as an FYI, any discussions between us just ended forever a post ago.

That was a decapitation strike.

Nah, resorting to cheap tricks by digging up an old quote to try and prove that this completely separate trade years later was a stroke of genius is lazy. Saying that I've been wrong once before doesn't mean I'm wrong now. So when you're wrong about this, I'll come back in time and dig this quote up for you and shove it in your face like a giant douchebag.

There is a 50/50 chance of that happening. Not odds I generally like..but apparently Danny does.

[JJtheBricklayer]

Ironic that the ones who disagreed with the trade are still awake while those who thought this isn't really bad and trusts ainge might be having a good nights sleep.

they say ignorance is bliss

[ViperGTS]

Ironic that the ones who disagreed with the trade are still awake while those who thought this isn't really bad and trusts ainge might be having a good nights sleep.

Ignorance is bliss I'd have to say. Those of us who can see clearly what is going on...not so much.

[BigTrade92]

Honestly not mad, but just as an FYI, any discussions between us just ended forever a post ago.

That was a decapitation strike.

Nah, resorting to cheap tricks by digging up an old quote to try and prove that this completely separate trade years later was a stroke of genius is lazy. Saying that I've been wrong once before doesn't mean I'm wrong now. So when you're wrong about this, I'll come back in time and dig this quote up for you and shove it in your face like a giant douchebag.

There is a 50/50 chance of that happening. Not odds I generally like..but apparently Danny does.

And apparently a 28 year old Jimmy Butler is going to lead us to Banner 18. Who needs an 18 year old Fultz, under team control for years when you can get Jimmy Buckets. Got to love the crap being thrown against the wall tonight to try and defend this move.

[Captain_Caveman]

Excellent use of the look up feature. Yes, many of us we're upset at the time that Pierce wasn't able to retire a Celtic. It still pisses me off. Sorry, emotionally I wasn't happy he didn't get that opportunity. In hindsight, excellent trade.

Still doesn't change the fact that pushing all our chips in now is a shortsighted move that forces our hand to go all in. Trading for a 30 year old Butler just so we can loses in the Finals doesn't really change that.

Honestly not mad, but just as an FYI, any discussions between us just ended forever a post ago.

That was a decapitation strike.

Nah, resorting to cheap tricks by digging up an old quote to try and prove that this completely separate trade years later was a stroke of genius is lazy. Saying that I've been wrong once before doesn't mean I'm wrong now. When you're wrong about this, I'll dig this quote up for you and shove it in your face like a giant douchebag.

No, just demonstrating that you had a similar freakout on one of the best trades in NBA history. We are in line for three top 5 picks from that deal, plus a TPE we turned into IT.

You referred to that as "NOTHING" in all caps.

Don't care whatsoever if you want to disown your own emo takes after almost immediately eating 15,000 gallons of **** on them.

You don't want me to link it, stop saying completely stupid ****.

[Asian Celtic]

Edit.

Toning down my rage.

Ill be back later but if no follow up happens here....

Please don't kick thise puppies.

[The Rondo Show]

How so? We all knew we could grab Butler or George with the first overall pick. That isn't exactly breaking news.

That problem a majority of us are having is that getting one of them and either Hayward or Griffin MAY get us past the Cavs, but it doesn't get us past the Warriors.

So if we're not winning a title by going "all in" now, then why go "all in"' now? Draft Fultz, develop him, Brown and the BKN 18 selection and build a stud team, a la the Warriors, that will replace the Warriors when they fade out.

Now we force our own hand to push all the chips in, and we may get 0 titles out of it. Oh and by the way, we just paved the way for the Sixers to have a power squad in a few years time.

This was an extremely shortsighted move.

Here's you the day of the Nets trade:
viewtopic.php?p=36301037#p36301037

My anger at this crap trade is unfathomable.

We just traded the Captain and the Big Ticket for NOTHING!

Take a seat and eat your applesauce. When I want your opinion, I will have your nurse crush it up and mix it with your Metamucil.

Shhhh!!!!

Excellent use of the look up feature. Yes, many of us we're upset at the time that Pierce wasn't able to retire a Celtic. It still pisses me off. Sorry, emotionally I wasn't happy he didn't get that opportunity. In hindsight, excellent trade.

Still doesn't change the fact that pushing all our chips in now is a shortsighted move that forces our hand, when we held all the cards to begin with. Trading for a 30 year old Butler just so we can loses in the Finals doesn't really change that.

#1: Butler is 27, not 30. He will spend the entire NBA season at 28 years old.

#2: Nobody is saying push all your chips in. You are talking about probably moving 1 chip out of our core 4 (J.Brown, #3, BKN '18, LAL/SAC pick). And Ainge planned ahead for that 1 chip by getting 2 high upside assets for 1 in this trade down. You can build a Butler or George and Hayward team while still having the same number (3) of high upside, potential all-star picks you had before. You'll just be swapping Fultz for a highly probable top 5 pick in 2018 or 2019. It's probably a hit to your future 8 years from now, but not convinced it's neccessarily a massive one. Fultz doesn't project as one of those true superstars capable of carrying a team to a title or title contention. This was not a Towns/Davis/healthy Embiid/LeBron esque irreplaceable asset.

[djFan71]

That doesn't work on Indys end either. They want a high lotto pick for PG even if he has one year left. They don't want FA to be Avery and Jae "No hops" Crowder. If that's all it took, Avery and Jae with a crappy pick..do it tomorrow even if for one year. Maybe you sell him on staying somehow, someway.

They can want it, but can they get that high lotto pick is the question. Many believe the Lakers prefer to wait for George to hit FA, and seemingly every other team that would be willing to gamble would have to be a contender. And contenders don't have those high lotto picks to dangle. Who takes that gamble in high lottery out of PHX, SAC, ORL, MIN, NY or DAL? Tough to find any that make sense. IND is in a very tough spot with all the rumors of PG to LA. It'll cost more than Bradley and Crowder, but do think there is a buy low window there where you avoid giving up that elite lotto pick asset, unless the Lakers make a panic move and get heavily involved.

Work on Detroit and wolves with bradley Crowder and rozier to try and get a pick out of them. Then we can move that in a package that may better suit the pacers without moving our young talent or better picks

Whoops, saw this after my reply.... yup. That's the ideal to me as well. Keep the big pieces, trade literally whatever else we can for PG, sign a max FA and have plenty of ways to upgrade still.

[Roddy]

I like the trade. Fultz might be a good player, but I don't see the "superstar" in him. Josh Jackson is my guy.

We might ends up with some lottery picks, and the next two drafts (2018 and 2019) are better than this year's.

2018 :
-Michael Porter
-DeAndre Ayton
-Mohamed Bamba
-Luka Doncic
-Robert Williams

2019 :
-Marvin Bagley
-Zion Williamson
-Moses Brown
-Kostas Antetokounmpo

or trade the picks for a Superstar (A.Davis, PG13, Butler, KAT...).

Wait and see

[BigTrade92]

Honestly not mad, but just as an FYI, any discussions between us just ended forever a post ago.

That was a decapitation strike.

Nah, resorting to cheap tricks by digging up an old quote to try and prove that this completely separate trade years later was a stroke of genius is lazy. Saying that I've been wrong once before doesn't mean I'm wrong now. When you're wrong about this, I'll dig this quote up for you and shove it in your face like a giant douchebag.

No, just demonstrating that you had a similar freakout on one of the best trades in NBA history. We are in line for three top 5 picks from that deal, plus a TPE we turned into IT.

You referred to that as "NOTHING" in all caps.

Don't care whatsoever if you want to disown your own emo takes after almost immediately eating 15,000 gallons of **** on them.

You don't want me to link it, stop saying completely stupid ****.

Bro, I can go back in your post history and make a dossier filled with a bunch of stupid **** you've said. Fortunately for you, I don't got enough time or hardly a care to sort through all that ****.

Again, because I didn't like seeing the Truth shipped off to the ****** Nets the very moment it happened, doesn't mean I'm wrong here, years later on a totally separate deal. Bill Simmons hated the Nets trade too, but he sure as hell knows a lot more about the game of basketball than Captain freakin Caveman....

[pasfru]

Just woke up.

So it was exactly what we all thought it was going to be?

Good deal, I just hope Danny's right about Fultz.

EDIT: Lol wtf did I walk into

[ViperGTS]

Just woke up.

So it was exactly what we all thought it was going to be?

Good deal, I just hope Danny's right about his take on Fultz.

It isn't about his take on Fultz. It's that he took it straight up the pooper on the return. Once the word protection is involved in a trade for the 1st pick overall....yeah...not good.

[Wes-J]

Losing Fultz is sickening.

But if we somehow land Michael Porter Jr. next year then I'll forgive Danny.

[ViperGTS]

Losing Fultz is sickening.

But if we somehow land Michael Porter Jr. next year then I'll forgive Danny.

Not very good chance of that happening.

[Captain_Caveman]

Nah, resorting to cheap tricks by digging up an old quote to try and prove that this completely separate trade years later was a stroke of genius is lazy. Saying that I've been wrong once before doesn't mean I'm wrong now. When you're wrong about this, I'll dig this quote up for you and shove it in your face like a giant douchebag.

No, just demonstrating that you had a similar freakout on one of the best trades in NBA history. We are in line for three top 5 picks from that deal, plus a TPE we turned into IT.

You referred to that as "NOTHING" in all caps.

Don't care whatsoever if you want to disown your own emo takes after almost immediately eating 15,000 gallons of **** on them.

You don't want me to link it, stop saying completely stupid ****.

Bro, I can go back in your post history and make a dossier filled with a bunch of stupid **** you've said. Fortunately for you, I don't got enough time or hardly a care to sort through all that ****.

Again, because I didn't like seeing the Truth shipped off to the ****** Nets the very moment it happened, doesn't mean I'm wrong here, years later on a totally separate deal. Bill Simmons hated the Nets trade too, but he sure as hell knows a lot more about the game of basketball than Captain freakin Caveman....

Yeah, well.. good luck finding one THAT bad, lol.

Anyhow, not mad. 2nd time today I linked someone their strong opinions against the Nets trade where they responded by saying that they were being sentimental and emotional.

My response to that? I know! You were! Doing the same right now, in fact.