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Victory Cigar!!! BOS 110 @ DAL 102 (16-2)

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Who smokes it tonight?

Horford
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Morris
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Tatum
2
1%
Irving
144
92%
Brown
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1%
Smart
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4%
Rozier
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Baynes
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Nader
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Total votes: 157

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Re: Victory Cigar!!! BOS 110 @ DAL 102 (16-2) 

Post#101 » by claycarver » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:39 am

LarryBirdsFingr wrote:I actually spent a few minutes the other night with Marcus after the game and asked him about his shooting in the hangar, and all he said was "I'm confident in my shot and so is brad so I'm going to let it fly until I'm told otherwise."

Kid is a stud even if we've maligned him


Thank you! Everyone hating on Smart..it's Brad you're upset with. It's ok to admit it. You don't think Brad knows what he's doing with Smart.
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Re: Victory Cigar!!! BOS 110 @ DAL 102 (16-2) 

Post#102 » by Shamrock » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:39 am

Green_teamer wrote:Lmao the general Board looks like an extension of our board

Posting and spending the majority of your time on the GB says a lot about a persons character. Such a cesspool, full of butthurt Raps fans and bandwagon GS fans
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Post#103 » by Captain_Caveman » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:40 am

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esad247 wrote:
How many years should we wait out this drought?

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He is covering opponent's entire franchises in crunch time, you plebs.


Which is why he's so uniquely valuable and worth resigning.

That doesn't mean Boston's offensive possessions should so regularly result in a Smart jumper.

I feel like the Smart discussion has gotten too binary. He's either the worst offensive player of all time or he's a guy who singlehandedly wins games in the fourth quarter. The truth is somewhere in the vast, reasonable middle.


But no one on our bench can create in the least. Hayward was a huge loss there, and Smart stepping into that void.
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Re: Victory Cigar!!! BOS 110 @ DAL 102 (16-2) 

Post#104 » by jfs1000d » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:41 am

Smart is impossible to figure out. My dream is 40% from 2 and 33% from 3. If he ever gets there he becomes a lethal player.

He reminds me of a guard version of Dennis Rodman .

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Post#105 » by Jingles » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:41 am

Edug27 wrote:- Kyrie is amazing. Simply. Amazing.

- Jaylen had a couple mental lapses, but overall really good game. Aggressive and improving his play making ability each game. The shot is looking nice as well. Defense was solid all night.

- What's up with Al? Weird game from him.

- Tatum is really good. Once he puts it all together.. watch out. He needs to not overthink it though and just go up with the shot.

- Ugh Smart. He'll shoot you out of a game and then make hustle plays to bring you back in it. I wish I could merge Smart and Rozier into one player. No point in having both.. Get it done Danny!

- Barea is annoying. So is Matthews. And where was this Barnes 2 years ago when GS needed him in the Finals and he looked like Smart out there. Scrub.

- Horford and Baynes had a few chances to go up strong when they got the ball so deep in the paint, but instead looked like the Warriors with the kick out. Except there no Klay sitting in the corner for the easy assist.


As a short guy I should support Barea but he rubs me the wrong way literally every time I see him play. Falls down on every shot, fakes injuries, cries about it, and is a pretty selfish player to boot. Hate him.

Jaylen with a sort of quiet 22 given what Kyrie did, but he made two absolutely HUGE shots tonight, the one in OT, and the three ball when they were down double digits and this close to fading.

As impressive as Tatum has been in his best games, I'm maybe more impressed by how his "bad" games have ended up. Looks a bit off in the first half, then makes like 5 or 6 clutch plays on both ends of the court to help the team win. What he's doing as a rookie is amazing. What a stud he is, and what a stud Danny is for grabbing him and getting a lotto pick for his trouble.
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Re: Victory Cigar!!! BOS 110 @ DAL 102 (16-2) 

Post#106 » by CavemanDoctor » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:42 am

Just wanted to say this is exactly what you want from a stud closer:

https://streamable.com/mk4qn

Immediately goes to the ball after the rebound, takes control, assesses the situation, takes the big shot himself. This is invaluable and precious few players in the league operate on this level.
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Post#107 » by ConstableGeneva » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:43 am

Our coach is the wokest of them all.

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Re: Victory Cigar!!! BOS 110 @ DAL 102 (16-2) 

Post#108 » by Captain_Caveman » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:44 am

31to6 wrote:
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31to6 wrote:As a lot of us said at the time, without him shutting down our own offense starting in the late first (Kyrie and Jaylen on fire, Marcus bricks two threes) and throughout most of the second, we wouldn't have needed those amazing last-gasp plays, though? #secondquartersmatter


If Smart played the way we want him to in the second quarter, he'd be an all star, max contract player.


well a lot of posters are mentioning Roberson and Rodman as role models.
do your awesome stuff.
just don't take the second most shots on the team.


Who else on the bench do you want to create?

Alrighty, then.
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Post#109 » by ThirtyFour » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:44 am

CavemanDoctor wrote:Just wanted to say this is exactly what you want from a stud closer:

https://streamable.com/mk4qn

Immediately goes to the ball after the rebound, takes control, assesses the situation, takes the big shot himself. This is invaluable and precious few players in the league operate on this level.


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Re: Victory Cigar!!! BOS 110 @ DAL 102 (16-2) 

Post#110 » by claycarver » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:44 am

jfs1000d wrote:He reminds me of a guard version of Dennis Rodman .


yes, this is what he is for us. Chaos.
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Post#111 » by tlee324 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:44 am

31to6 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
esad247 wrote:
How many years should we wait out this drought?

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He is covering opponent's entire franchises in crunch time, you plebs.


Tatum, Brown, Horford, and Kyrie really played some great D down the stretch. Pretty sure Kyrie and Al had game-saving steals in the last minute of the 4th, too. None of them fouled a three-point shooter, either.


It's not all or nothing. Marcus shot the ball like sweaty gorilla taint for 95% of this game, but certainly defended well and came up with some plays.

Acting like nobody else besides Marcus played defense would be foolish, of course, as the plays you're talking about were surely made.

I really liked the way Tatum and Brown delivered on both ends of the court to add to Kyrie's greatness.
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Post#112 » by rmal8852 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:44 am

tlee324 wrote:Kyrie is amazing.

Love Tatum. Love jaylen.

I'll give Al a pass. He's earned a few this season so far.

Smart is a fine defender, passer and hustle player but I'm ready to move on if he can't shoot the rock better than this.


Had me right till "but I'm ready............"
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Post#113 » by akhan786 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:45 am

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Post#114 » by fallguy » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:45 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
fallguy wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
He is covering opponent's entire franchises in crunch time, you plebs.


Which is why he's so uniquely valuable and worth resigning.

That doesn't mean Boston's offensive possessions should so regularly result in a Smart jumper.

I feel like the Smart discussion has gotten too binary. He's either the worst offensive player of all time or he's a guy who singlehandedly wins games in the fourth quarter. The truth is somewhere in the vast, reasonable middle.


But no one on our bench can create in the least. Hayward was a huge loss there, and Smart stepping into that void.


Yup. I think we'll see a move for a bench creator to help this team reach its potential. And/or they'll hand more responsibility to Tatum as the year goes on and play through him more with the bench.
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Post#115 » by 31to6 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:45 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
31to6 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
He is covering opponent's entire franchises in crunch time, you plebs.


Tatum, Brown, Horford, and Kyrie really played some great D down the stretch. Pretty sure Kyrie and Al had game-saving steals in the last minute of the 4th, too. None of them fouled a three-point shooter, either.


Booo!

Smart was on everyone and no one was scoring on him. Unlike Horford giving up several layups to Barea. Soft call on that foul, too.

But more than that it is every game he is doing this.


Pretty awesome how he used his length to contest but not foul Barnes' shot at the end of regulation, huh? Or stripped the ball out so Jaylen could recover it with 36 seconds left? Oh wait that was other guys.

It's a team game. One of our best defenders and one of the most amazing hustle guys I've ever seen is taking a **** wrecking ball to our offense for large swaths of the game (up until WINNING TIME), which is impacting said games. No reason to get all twisted up about people calling it what it is.
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Post#116 » by LarryBirdsFingr » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:46 am

The new facility is mint AF and is going to get some top flight medical staff on hand. My madukes has taught a few of the lakers trainers in recent years. Their strength and conditioning staff is weak compared to most tbh, even if we hate smart
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Post#117 » by tlee324 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:46 am

rmal8852 wrote:
tlee324 wrote:Kyrie is amazing.

Love Tatum. Love jaylen.

I'll give Al a pass. He's earned a few this season so far.

Smart is a fine defender, passer and hustle player but I'm ready to move on if he can't shoot the rock better than this.


Had me right till "but I'm ready............"


Everyone's entitled to their stance on him at this point.
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Post#118 » by fallguy » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:47 am

tlee324 wrote:
31to6 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
He is covering opponent's entire franchises in crunch time, you plebs.


Tatum, Brown, Horford, and Kyrie really played some great D down the stretch. Pretty sure Kyrie and Al had game-saving steals in the last minute of the 4th, too. None of them fouled a three-point shooter, either.


It's not all or nothing. Marcus shot the ball like sweaty gorilla taint for 95% of this game, but certainly defended well and came up with some plays.

Acting like nobody else besides Marcus played defense would be foolish, of course, as the plays you're talking about were surely made.

I really liked the way Tatum and Brown delivered on both ends of the court to add to Kyrie's greatness.


Brown's defense is starting to simmer. Kid's gonna be great on that end.
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Post#119 » by Captain_Caveman » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:48 am

31to6 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
31to6 wrote:
Tatum, Brown, Horford, and Kyrie really played some great D down the stretch. Pretty sure Kyrie and Al had game-saving steals in the last minute of the 4th, too. None of them fouled a three-point shooter, either.


Booo!

Smart was on everyone and no one was scoring on him. Unlike Horford giving up several layups to Barea. Soft call on that foul, too.

But more than that it is every game he is doing this.


Pretty awesome how he used his length to contest but not foul Barnes' shot at the end of regulation, huh? Or stripped the ball out so Jaylen could recover it with 36 seconds left? Oh wait that was other guys.

It's a team game. One of our best defenders and one of the most amazing hustle guys I've ever seen is taking a **** wrecking ball to our offense for large swaths of the game (up until WINNING TIME), which is impacting said games. No reason to get all twisted up about people calling it what it is.


People cried about him all night, and yet he was a net positive and one of their better players.

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Re: Victory Cigar!!! BOS 110 @ DAL 102 (16-2) 

Post#120 » by 31to6 » Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:50 am

Captain_Caveman wrote:
31to6 wrote:
claycarver wrote:
If Smart played the way we want him to in the second quarter, he'd be an all star, max contract player.


well a lot of posters are mentioning Roberson and Rodman as role models.
do your awesome stuff.
just don't take the second most shots on the team.


Who else on the bench do you want to create?

Alrighty, then.


If we've decided we can't be a pace-and-space team with the second unit, because it inevitably ends up in missed Marcus Smart or Terry Rozier 3s (or the occasional TRo drive/miss/fall-down spastic drive), I want Morris off the bench, going all iso. Or do more to feature Tatum, if he's with them. Or stagger Jaylen or Al in there, and feature them. Or get back to Marcus p-n-r with Theis, which has disappeared now that Baynes isn't, unfortunately, starting.

Or keep going with 10 fga per game for a 27% shooter instead but I don't know it doesn't seem to be working that well.
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