Is jaylen Brown becoming untouchable in the offseason?

[Moose23]

You don't allocate shots on defense bro beans. Draymond is the best defender on GSW... still the 4th option.

Hayward will be primary option for kickouts.

Horf will get then as well

Imo starting lineup needs another guy who can finish through contact and be a player who breaks out and runs lane off defensive stops.

I think Brown fills that roll better.



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[Gomes3PC]

Why are we assuming Tatum will be higher in the pecking order?


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Because he's a better shooter and ball-handler.

Jaylen is a better defender and better at finishing through contact.

Jaylen struggled mightily at times last year finishing through contact. Give Tatum a year in an NBA offseason program, will be night and day next year.

I love Jaylen. I love Jayson. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Just hard to ignore that Tatum is significantly younger and adapted much faster to the NBA game than Jaylen. That doesn't mean his path will progress as easily - plenty of guys stall out and others take time to grow into the game. Just, at this moment, Tatum's rookie performance shows glimpses of being a potential All-NBA talent.

[3D Chess]

You don't allocate shots on defense bro beans. Draymond is the best defender on GSW... still the 4th option.

Hayward will be primary option for kickouts.

Horf will get then as well

Imo starting lineup needs another guy who can finish through contact and be a player who breaks out and runs lane off defensive stops.

I think Brown fills that roll better.



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Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

B U C K E T S

(& D)

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Why are we assuming Tatum will be higher in the pecking order?


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Because he's a better shooter and ball-handler.

Jaylen is a better defender and better at finishing through contact.

I hope a friendly rivalry keeps the two of them working harder and harder all the time. Because they are of course already both pretty good. JT is more special in his potential and completeness of game, but there is room for both of them. I am not all that convinced that Kyrie's knee will be here on a new contract, but I am sure Brad couldn't be happier than to have GH, JB and JT in there as starters together for years to come. The question is how long they'll have Kyrie and Al there with them, but even with Kyrie here, there are enough minutes and shots IMO for these guys to fit together.

As it is, the C's have seven players averaging double digits per game this year, with Moose having an outside shot of getting his (now at 9.4) up there too. They also have seven players averaging over 25 minutes per game and seven players over 9 shots per game. IMO they have a shot to win it all next year, etc., and that should be incentive enough for the starters to want to stay.

[Darth Celtic]

If it's AD, nobody is untouchable, but some (Kyrie/Hayward) are unlikely.

If it's KL, some are untouchable, some are likely, and Brown would be Likely.

Anyone else, you don't trade Brown or Tatum.

[Moose23]

Because he's a better shooter and ball-handler.

Jaylen is a better defender and better at finishing through contact.

Jaylen struggled mightily at times last year finishing through contact. Give Tatum a year in an NBA offseason program, will be night and day next year.

I love Jaylen. I love Jayson. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Just hard to ignore that Tatum is significantly younger and adapted much faster to the NBA game than Jaylen. That doesn't mean his path will progress as easily - plenty of guys stall out and others take time to grow into the game. Just, at this moment, Tatum's rookie performance shows glimpses of being a potential All-NBA talent.

thats the thing, right now its comparing apples to oranges because as a rookie both roles and minutes have varied.

I think Brown has the attributes to be a more impactful player with this team. Of course I could be completely wrong, but if its one or the other, my vote is brown.

My personal dream though would be to add a young bigman who can grow with tatum and Brown and allow tatum to be fulltime PF.

[chris4celts]

If it's AD, nobody is untouchable, but some (Kyrie/Hayward) are unlikely.

If it's KL, some are untouchable, some are likely, and Brown would be Likely.

Anyone else, you don't trade Brown or Tatum.

I think it starts and stops with AD - unless the Greek Freak becomes available.

Brown could be a version of KL. You don't trade a 21 year Brown and other picks/assets for KL.

This rebuild has got to go down as one of the best in league history. And it's not even done. The Sac pick remains.

[LuckyLeprechaun]

Could Jaylen's ambition and drive be a double-edged sword? Love that he works hard and wants to be one of the best players in the league. However, what happens when he's due for a contract? He's not going to usurp Kyrie as the guy on this team, and it looks like Tatum will probably get more touches when he develops. The pecking order for the next few years will be Kyrie/Hayward/Tatum/Brown assuming we keep everyone. Will Jaylen's drive make him want to explore what it will be like to have a bigger role? Something for us to keep an eye on.

Why are we assuming Tatum will be higher in the pecking order?


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Because he's a better shooter and ball-handler.

Jaylen this year is shooting 51% from 2 and 38% from 3. Tatum is 49.5% from 2 and 43% from 3. That's not a huge difference. Certainly too close to say who will be a better shooter long term.

Also Tatum gets stripped regularly driving to the hoop. It's not as though his ball handling is special right now. Certainly they are too close to be making assumptions about the long term.

[Asian Celtic]

Because he's a better shooter and ball-handler.

Jaylen is a better defender and better at finishing through contact.

Jaylen struggled mightily at times last year finishing through contact. Give Tatum a year in an NBA offseason program, will be night and day next year.

I love Jaylen. I love Jayson. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Just hard to ignore that Tatum is significantly younger and adapted much faster to the NBA game than Jaylen. That doesn't mean his path will progress as easily - plenty of guys stall out and others take time to grow into the game. Just, at this moment, Tatum's rookie performance shows glimpses of being a potential All-NBA talent.

Why do you think that because Tatum can improve as much as night and day in 1 year that he automatically becomes higher in the pecking order?

Why not think why Brown can be higher when he already showed us he can improve both in the offseason and RS? if any we already got data that Jaylen works his ass off to improve his weaknesses while Tatum showed what he can.

[vct33]

The short list that I’d consider trading Brown or Tatum for is probably AD, Kawhi, KAT, and Antetokounmpo. Jokic, KP and Embiid possibly also in the conversation.

[ric munchn]

All he has to do is turn left.

I think its likely Tatum has the better career but I wouldn't be shocked if its Brown. I'd hate to lose either of them but like others have said if its for AD I'm fine with losing either one. Both would not be worth it to me considering AD injury history and the upside of those two players. One or the other as part of a package and we go to multiple finals in the next 5 years and maybe win 1 or 2. Id say its less than 50/50 we get AD and Im fine with our team as is.

[ddb]

I say stay put. Get Hayward back, get this team healthy...tatum/brown/Rozier another year developed...this team is going to be flipping nasty.

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[redbeamer]

The problem I see is that some of our positions are redundant. Brown, Tatum, and Hayward are all small forwards. Brown has done a good job at the two but I don't know how it all works long term. If you could package one and picks/filler for AD it takes care of that problem. Trading for Kawhi leaves you in the same boat. I think it's AD or we ride with what we got!

[UNCBlue012]

Theoretically, no. But realistically, yes.

[reload141]

Hypothetical, would you trade Brown + for a healthy Kawhi?

[chakdaddy]

You don't allocate shots on defense bro beans. Draymond is the best defender on GSW... still the 4th option.

Hayward will be primary option for kickouts.

Horf will get then as well

Imo starting lineup needs another guy who can finish through contact and be a player who breaks out and runs lane off defensive stops.

I think Brown fills that roll better.



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Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

B U C K E T S

(& D)

5 three point threats
3-4 plus defenders
3 facilitators
4 under 30

No size, jumper, or free throw liabilities

What a well rounded lineup for the modern era and long term. Could just use rim protection and rebounding.

[chakdaddy]

The problem I see is that some of our positions are redundant. Brown, Tatum, and Hayward are all small forwards. Brown has done a good job at the two but I don't know how it all works long term. If you could package one and picks/filler for AD it takes care of that problem. Trading for Kawhi leaves you in the same boat. I think it's AD or we ride with what we got!

Good enough to coexist 2-3-4. All versatile but with different strengths and good size. I agree keep them unless AD can be had

[Fencer reregistered]

The problem I see is that some of our positions are redundant. Brown, Tatum, and Hayward are all small forwards. Brown has done a good job at the two but I don't know how it all works long term. If you could package one and picks/filler for AD it takes care of that problem. Trading for Kawhi leaves you in the same boat. I think it's AD or we ride with what we got!

Good enough to coexist 2-3-4. All versatile but with different strengths and good size. I agree keep them unless AD can be had

Yeah. If all three play at once, the "redundancy" is very hard to exploit at either end of the court.

[Moose23]

Hayward will be primary option for kickouts.

Horf will get then as well

Imo starting lineup needs another guy who can finish through contact and be a player who breaks out and runs lane off defensive stops.

I think Brown fills that roll better.



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Kyrie
Brown
Hayward
Tatum
Horford

B U C K E T S

(& D)

5 three point threats
3-4 plus defenders
3 facilitators
4 under 30

No size, jumper, or free throw liabilities

What a well rounded lineup for the modern era and long term. Could just use rim protection and rebounding.

In my ideal world we would nab a young bigman (Ayton, Bagley, Bamba, Carter etc) to replace Al when that time comes

[3D Chess]

Hypothetical, would you trade Brown + for a healthy Kawhi?

Of course.