The Knicks Scenario

[VeryMuchWoke]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252345/Knicks-Make-Tim-Hardaway-Jr-Courtney-Lee-Available-In-Trade-Talks

Gunna need to move more than that to free up the 71M needed to sign KD and Kyrie.

Hell, they need to move one of those guys for no future money to just be able to offer KD his ~38M deal this offseason.

Not really.

Everyone else that needs to get dumped is expiring or non-guaranteed, save Ntilikina. Porzingis' cap hold is $17m. It's doable.

The Knicks are the one team that worries me with Kyrie, but I still don't think it's a possibility unless things turn south here. Also, THJ and Lee being available was obvious. What will concern me is if they give away considerable assets to unload them.

[SmartWentCrazy]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252345/Knicks-Make-Tim-Hardaway-Jr-Courtney-Lee-Available-In-Trade-Talks

Gunna need to move more than that to free up the 71M needed to sign KD and Kyrie.

Hell, they need to move one of those guys for no future money to just be able to offer KD his ~38M deal this offseason.

Not really.

Everyone else that needs to get dumped is expiring or non-guaranteed, save Ntilikina. Porzingis' cap hold is $17m. It's doable.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NYK.html

With KPs hold, theyre at 78M. With a 109M cap, thats 31M in space. This isnt including their draft pick, either.

They’d need to free over 40M to sign both KD and Kyrie.

[StojkoVrankovic]

Gunna need to move more than that to free up the 71M needed to sign KD and Kyrie.

Hell, they need to move one of those guys for no future money to just be able to offer KD his ~38M deal this offseason.

Not really.

Everyone else that needs to get dumped is expiring or non-guaranteed, save Ntilikina. Porzingis' cap hold is $17m. It's doable.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NYK.html

With KPs hold, theyre at 78M. With a 109M cap, thats 31M in space. This isnt including their draft pick, either.

They’d need to free over 40M to sign both KD and Kyrie.

they literally have a new post on their board detailing how difficult it is

[Captain_Caveman]

Gunna need to move more than that to free up the 71M needed to sign KD and Kyrie.

Hell, they need to move one of those guys for no future money to just be able to offer KD his ~38M deal this offseason.

Not really.

Everyone else that needs to get dumped is expiring or non-guaranteed, save Ntilikina. Porzingis' cap hold is $17m. It's doable.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NYK.html

With KPs hold, theyre at 78M. With a 109M cap, thats 31M in space. This isnt including their draft pick, either.

They’d need to free over 40M to sign both KD and Kyrie.

Right in that very link: Lance Thomas not guaranteed.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Not really.

Everyone else that needs to get dumped is expiring or non-guaranteed, save Ntilikina. Porzingis' cap hold is $17m. It's doable.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NYK.html

With KPs hold, theyre at 78M. With a 109M cap, thats 31M in space. This isnt including their draft pick, either.

They’d need to free over 40M to sign both KD and Kyrie.

Right in that very link: Lance Thomas not guaranteed.

Okay, and their top 5 pick will make 5M+

[Captain_Caveman]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NYK.html

With KPs hold, theyre at 78M. With a 109M cap, thats 31M in space. This isnt including their draft pick, either.

They’d need to free over 40M to sign both KD and Kyrie.

Right in that very link: Lance Thomas not guaranteed.

Okay, and their top 5 pick will make 4M+

They can get down to KP's cap hold, the draft pick, Knox, Mitchell, Noah's stretch and ghost holds if they want to, IMO.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Right in that very link: Lance Thomas not guaranteed.

Okay, and their top 5 pick will make 4M+

They can get down to KP's cap hold, the draft pick, Knox, Mitchell, Noah's stretch and ghost holds if they want to, IMO.

KP: 17
Pick: 5.5
Knox: 4.5
Mitchell: 1.5
Noah: 6.5
8 minimum cap holds: ~8M

Total: 43M
Salary cap: 109M
Total cap space: 66M
Cap space needed: 71M.

[Captain_Caveman]

Okay, and their top 5 pick will make 4M+

They can get down to KP's cap hold, the draft pick, Knox, Mitchell, Noah's stretch and ghost holds if they want to, IMO.

KP: 17
Pick: 5.5
Knox: 4.5
Mitchell: 1.5
Noah: 6.5
8 minimum cap holds: ~8M

Total: 43M
Salary cap: 109M
Total cap space: 66M
Cap space needed: 71M.

Even if cap holds are really that high, you dump Knox and/or Mitchell.

FWIW, I posted this after hearing that many around the Ws think KD is a Knick next year. Don't @ me like that, haha. Not the first time Norther NJ native Kyrie bene linked to the Knicks, lol.

[SmartWentCrazy]

They can get down to KP's cap hold, the draft pick, Knox, Mitchell, Noah's stretch and ghost holds if they want to, IMO.

KP: 17
Pick: 5.5
Knox: 4.5
Mitchell: 1.5
Noah: 6.5
8 minimum cap holds: ~8M

Total: 43M
Salary cap: 109M
Total cap space: 66M
Cap space needed: 71M.

Even if cap holds are really that high, you dump Knox and/or Mitchell.

FWIW, I posted this after hearing that many around the Ws think KD is a Knick next year. Don't @ me like that, haha. Not the first time Norther NJ native Kyrie bene linked to the Knicks, lol.

Its definitely possible and I’m by no means questioning your KD intel— moreso I’m just trying to illustrate that it will definitely be very difficult for NY to clear enough space for a second star FA signing. After they stretched Noah, they pretty much sealed their fate.

[Captain_Caveman]

KP: 17
Pick: 5.5
Knox: 4.5
Mitchell: 1.5
Noah: 6.5
8 minimum cap holds: ~8M

Total: 43M
Salary cap: 109M
Total cap space: 66M
Cap space needed: 71M.

Even if cap holds are really that high, you dump Knox and/or Mitchell.

FWIW, I posted this after hearing that many around the Ws think KD is a Knick next year. Don't @ me like that, haha. Not the first time Norther NJ native Kyrie bene linked to the Knicks, lol.

Its definitely possible and I’m by no means questioning your KD intel— moreso I’m just trying to illustrate that it will definitely be very difficult for NY to clear enough space for a second star FA signing. After they stretched Noah, they pretty much sealed their fate.

Wouldn't assume that they have to take the full max. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all took a little less to form the Heat. Official cap also hasn't even come in yet.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Even if cap holds are really that high, you dump Knox and/or Mitchell.

FWIW, I posted this after hearing that many around the Ws think KD is a Knick next year. Don't @ me like that, haha. Not the first time Norther NJ native Kyrie bene linked to the Knicks, lol.

Its definitely possible and I’m by no means questioning your KD intel— moreso I’m just trying to illustrate that it will definitely be very difficult for NY to clear enough space for a second star FA signing. After they stretched Noah, they pretty much sealed their fate.

Wouldn't assume that they have to take the full max. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all took a little less to form the Heat. Official cap also hasn't even come in yet.

Its possible, but Durant has been very open about wanting to make as much money as possible:

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/kevin-durant-admits-hes-thinking-about-one-thing-nba-free-agency

“I am thinking about the money I’m going to get,” Durant told Marcus Thompson of The Athletic on Wednesday night. “I never got the (massive) deal. I’ve just seen a bunch of dudes around the league making so much money — and I’m happy for them.

"But I know I deserve that, too. That’s the only thing I’m probably thinking about, to be honest.”

[Captain_Caveman]

Its definitely possible and I’m by no means questioning your KD intel— moreso I’m just trying to illustrate that it will definitely be very difficult for NY to clear enough space for a second star FA signing. After they stretched Noah, they pretty much sealed their fate.

Wouldn't assume that they have to take the full max. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all took a little less to form the Heat. Official cap also hasn't even come in yet.

Its possible, but Durant has been very open about wanting to make as much money as possible:

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/kevin-durant-admits-hes-thinking-about-one-thing-nba-free-agency

“I am thinking about the money I’m going to get,” Durant told Marcus Thompson of The Athletic on Wednesday night. “I never got the (massive) deal. I’ve just seen a bunch of dudes around the league making so much money — and I’m happy for them.

"But I know I deserve that, too. That’s the only thing I’m probably thinking about, to be honest.”

That has little to do with his salary.

[StojkoVrankovic]

Wouldn't assume that they have to take the full max. LeBron, Wade, and Bosh all took a little less to form the Heat. Official cap also hasn't even come in yet.

Its possible, but Durant has been very open about wanting to make as much money as possible:

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/kevin-durant-admits-hes-thinking-about-one-thing-nba-free-agency

“I am thinking about the money I’m going to get,” Durant told Marcus Thompson of The Athletic on Wednesday night. “I never got the (massive) deal. I’ve just seen a bunch of dudes around the league making so much money — and I’m happy for them.

"But I know I deserve that, too. That’s the only thing I’m probably thinking about, to be honest.”

That has little to do with his salary.

Big dog in the big city?

[Captain_Caveman]

Its possible, but Durant has been very open about wanting to make as much money as possible:

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/kevin-durant-admits-hes-thinking-about-one-thing-nba-free-agency

That has little to do with his salary.

Big dog in the big city?

No idea why KD to the Knicks is a thing, but it is. Isola reported it out of left field, hearing the same. That definitely gets my attention and leaves me with some serious questions. As to the money, salary just a part of a guy's portfolio/brand/income.

[Triple7]

With the way Fiz is handling his teams rotations, with a lot of healthy dnp’s. Im less worried now. Fa’s will think twice before signing with the knicks with the risk of ruining their career.

[Captain_Caveman]

With the way Fiz is handling his teams rotations, with a lot of healthy dnp’s. Im less worried now. Fa’s will think twice before signing with the knicks with the risk of ruining their career.

He wouldn't be the coach if this happened.

[tombattor]

Every year, media is always talking about the Knicks. But they are always irrelevant. They are NY. That's it. Nothing to worry about.

[Bleeding Green]

Every year, media is always talking about the Knicks. But they are always irrelevant. They are NY. That's it. Nothing to worry about.

They're irrelevant until they aren't. All it takes is 2 max guys wanting to team up and go there. If Kyrie and KD say, "hey, lets go play at MSG in the largest US market" it doesn't really matter how irrelevant the Knicks have been for 35 years. Knicks can easily get rid of Lee+Hardaway contracts if they need to. Or AD wants to go there so Knicks trade Kanter/1st/Robinson/Knox/future firsts or whatever and now the Knicks have a top-3 player and max space on top of it, plus an intriguing player in Porzinigis (though I'm not a fan of Porzinigis given his injury history).

Knicks are in really good position to be really good if they can attract a premier player. OR maybe nothing will happen and they'll just be irrelevant for another year, but they are set up well for something to happen. I know if I were a young athlete on the path to potential future billionaire status I'd rather live in Manhattan than Boston.

[tombattor]

Every year, media is always talking about the Knicks. But they are always irrelevant. They are NY. That's it. Nothing to worry about.

They're irrelevant until they aren't. All it takes is 2 max guys wanting to team up and go there. If Kyrie and KD say, "hey, lets go play at MSG in the largest US market" it doesn't really matter how irrelevant the Knicks have been for 35 years. Knicks can easily get rid of Lee+Hardaway contracts if they need to. Or AD wants to go there so Knicks trade Kanter/1st/Robinson/Knox/future firsts or whatever and now the Knicks have a top-3 player and max space on top of it, plus an intriguing player in Porzinigis (though I'm not a fan of Porzinigis given his injury history).

Knicks are in really good position to be really good if they can attract a premier player. OR maybe nothing will happen and they'll just be irrelevant for another year, but they are set up well for something to happen. I know if I were a young athlete on the path to potential future billionaire status I'd rather live in Manhattan than Boston.

That's true about them being relevant if they get Kyrie and KD. But I've been living in Manhattan for 20 years and counting and see the Knicks give false hope every year and despite constant pushing of the Knicks by the national and local media, they always find a way to be garbage and irrelevant.

[djFan71]

Will definitely be interesting to see what the Knicks do at the deadline. If they can't unload Lee & THJ, then they're not a risk. If they can and also get something good back for KP, look out.