Trade Ideas Thread, 2019-20

[Disinformation]

That’s part of it. I’d rather gamble on Giles knees than keep trotting out Semi. We know what we got with Semi, if all it costs is him to take a flier on Giles I’m all for it

I dont think Giles is going to be trotted out again though. He hasnt played this year, had his option declined and theres no firm details regarding whats going on. I think he’s just entirely dead salary at this point.

That may be so and if it is then I’m forced to agree but it’s all just conjecture at this point. Right now Semi is just stealing minutes from guys who deserve them more than he does and he’s likely gone after this year regardless. Low risk, high reward. If Giles flops then all you did is open minutes for Williams and Green

Trades aside -- I have no idea why Semi is still getting run at this point. Is there ever any reason to put Semi in instead of Grant Williams?

[Homerclease]

I dont think Giles is going to be trotted out again though. He hasnt played this year, had his option declined and theres no firm details regarding whats going on. I think he’s just entirely dead salary at this point.

That may be so and if it is then I’m forced to agree but it’s all just conjecture at this point. Right now Semi is just stealing minutes from guys who deserve them more than he does and he’s likely gone after this year regardless. Low risk, high reward. If Giles flops then all you did is open minutes for Williams and Green

Trades aside -- I have no idea why Semi is still getting run at this point. Is there ever any reason to put Semi in instead of Grant Williams?

Brad trusts him to be in the right place defensively and to Semis credit he usually is. The problem is that he’s merely a traffic cone for most guys. They simply just shoot over him. I don’t think Semi has registered a block in a game to this day.

[BRUNiNHO91]

WCS ? If things go south for Golden St would they unload him? Salary going back is an easy match, just may take a pick to get him. He’s a legit shot blocker and net gain defensively.

How is he against Embiid?


That's what Boston really needs..a big dude to match Embiid. Everybody else can be beaten by guards and wings.

Just looking at the rosters around the league, the big man market is pathetic. Guys like Biyombo, Mahinmi, Dieng. Cody Zeller are all getting 15-17 mil..the slightly better ones like Ibaka, Gasol are all over 23 mil. It's wild.

We really should have given Dwight an opportunity. Not sure what the point of Poirier was if he can't get off the bench.

Maybe in a few months something like Capela for Theis, Langford, Semi and J.Green would interest the Rockets.

[Romeiro Celtic]

What do you guys think about Andre Drummond? UFA in 2021, making 27M/yr. Great rebounder, nice defender, so far this season is putting up 22 ppg, 18.7 rpg, 1.7 spg and 2.6 bpg.

[KGboss]

What do you guys think about Andre Drummond? UFA in 2021, making 27M/yr. Great rebounder, nice defender, so far this season is putting up 22 ppg, 18.7 rpg, 1.7 spg and 2.6 bpg.

For what package?

Only guy we can really trade for that price is Hayward

Are we doing that?

Also statistically drummond doesnt = wins.



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[Romeiro Celtic]

What do you guys think about Andre Drummond? UFA in 2021, making 27M/yr. Great rebounder, nice defender, so far this season is putting up 22 ppg, 18.7 rpg, 1.7 spg and 2.6 bpg.

For what package?

Only guy we can really trade for that price is Hayward

Are we doing that?

Also statistically drummond doesnt = wins.



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The thing is, we've never seen Drummond out of Detroit and with a decent coach. Who he's had as coach since he got in the NBA?

1. Lawrence Frank - Career losing coach
2. Mo Cheeks - Awful coach, only made it to the playoffs 3 times
3. John Loyer - who the hell is that?
4. Stan Van Gundy - The guy who in 4 seasons in detroit only made it to the playoffs once and he wanted to play Drummond - Monroe - Smith lineup, which clearly didn't work out.
5. Dwane Casey - probably the best coach out of this 5, but still not a great one either.

What I mean is: He's had 5 different coaches, 5 different aproaches to the game and none of those were winning coaches (except for Casey). What keeps you from thinking he could thrive in a different situation other than Detroit since he never tried it?

[SmartWentCrazy]

I have a trade idea:

Wanamaker and the second round pick we received for Rozier for IT.

We need bench scoring in the worst way. He would help. Plus, I miss the guy.

[24istheLAW]

WCS ? If things go south for Golden St would they unload him? Salary going back is an easy match, just may take a pick to get him. He’s a legit shot blocker and net gain defensively.

WCS is the best trade target I can think of too. Legit 7 footer with some bulk to bang with Embiid/length to bother shots. Can move his feet well enough laterally to not kill you when he's switched onto smaller guys. Can get up and down the court.

Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-WCS would start. Then you have Smart, Grant Williams coming off the bench a ton. Plus Theis and RW3. Edwards for bench scoring. Wanamaker when you need another body at guard, he can run the offense as well as body up some smaller forwards.

[Triple7]

Celtics roster in my opinion:

Placeholders(5): Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Green, Theis, Poirier

Young Players(4): Edwards, G Williams, R Williams, Langford

Main Contributors(6): Walker, Smart, Tatum, Brown, Kanter, Hayward.

Celtics are really 6 deep. G Williams, Theis and R Williams are doing a decent job. Ainge needs to find a way to add at least 1 more main contributor.

I think I'd switch Kanter and Theis. Theis has proven to be a much better all-around player.

Except score in the post. G.Williams needs to improve his rebounding.

[Gomes3PC]

I don't see Ainge trading any even semi real asset unless he thinks he's getting a bonafide star back. This team is not a title contender without adding a stud, so why waste the assets?

[Wes-J]

While I like the idea of what WCS can do, i don't believe he's a fit for the type of culture we have established here. Sac wouldn't keep him for basically a bag of peanuts and there was very little to no interest in the market for him. Turns out those concerns coming out of college were true.

[Mamba4Goat]

I have a trade idea:

Wanamaker and the second round pick we received for Rozier for IT.

We need bench scoring in the worst way. He would help. Plus, I miss the guy.

If IT is keeping it up, it would likely cost at least Carson. Maybe more. I'm sure there'll be teams wanting him.

[Ernest]

WCS ? If things go south for Golden St would they unload him? Salary going back is an easy match, just may take a pick to get him. He’s a legit shot blocker and net gain defensively.

How is he against Embiid?


That's what Boston really needs..a big dude to match Embiid. Everybody else can be beaten by guards and wings.

Just looking at the rosters around the league, the big man market is pathetic. Guys like Biyombo, Mahinmi, Dieng. Cody Zeller are all getting 15-17 mil..the slightly better ones like Ibaka, Gasol are all over 23 mil. It's wild.

We really should have given Dwight an opportunity. Not sure what the point of Poirier was if he can't get off the bench.

Maybe in a few months something like Capela for Theis, Langford, Semi and J.Green would interest the Rockets.

We can always wait as see if Embiid can stay healthy. If he were to get hurt for the season again, we could probably get way without adding another big.

[Andrew McCeltic]

If Harry Giles had stayed healthy he would’ve been an Anthony Davis level draft prize in 2017 and Tatum would’ve gone fourth to the Suns.. He was trending that well- he’s shown flashes through the rust and damage in Sacramento - textbook low post scorer, great passer and great shot blocker, great rebounder, elite athleticism, everything but a three point shot.

Why did Sacramento drop his fourth year? Their explanation makes no sense - one possibility is that they saw something new with his knee and don’t think he can have a career - but now they’re walking it back to try to get something in a trade, or let him try to get a contract next summer..

You’re all too harsh on Semi, he’s a great player to have at the end of the bench, he’s great for the team culture. And if Sacramento tries to move Giles, either his market is better than Semi Ojeleye or you can get him for, like, Wanamaker.

[Andrew McCeltic]

What do you guys think about Andre Drummond? UFA in 2021, making 27M/yr. Great rebounder, nice defender, so far this season is putting up 22 ppg, 18.7 rpg, 1.7 spg and 2.6 bpg.

For what package?

Only guy we can really trade for that price is Hayward

Are we doing that?

Also statistically drummond doesnt = wins.



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The thing is, we've never seen Drummond out of Detroit and with a decent coach. Who he's had as coach since he got in the NBA?

1. Lawrence Frank - Career losing coach
2. Mo Cheeks - Awful coach, only made it to the playoffs 3 times
3. John Loyer - who the hell is that?
4. Stan Van Gundy - The guy who in 4 seasons in detroit only made it to the playoffs once and he wanted to play Drummond - Monroe - Smith lineup, which clearly didn't work out.
5. Dwane Casey - probably the best coach out of this 5, but still not a great one either.

What I mean is: He's had 5 different coaches, 5 different aproaches to the game and none of those were winning coaches (except for Casey). What keeps you from thinking he could thrive in a different situation other than Detroit since he never tried it?

I’ve had the same thought on Drummond, and he works hard every offseason. But he’s 27 now, I don’t know if it’s worth the gamble when he’s 2-3 years away from falling off the same cliff Deandre Jordan and Dwight Howard have.. (Drummond to Phoenix for Ayton/Tyler Johnson wouldn’t shock me, tbh).

[snowman]

Giles for Wannamaker doesn't work in the trade checker, nor does Giles for Semi straight up. But if we could get a third team to take Wannamaker, and send player X to Sac and we get Giles, I think he would be fine as a low cost project.

[Curmudgeon]

How about "if it ain't broke don't try to fix it?"

[SmartWentCrazy]

I have a trade idea:

Wanamaker and the second round pick we received for Rozier for IT.

We need bench scoring in the worst way. He would help. Plus, I miss the guy.

If IT is keeping it up, it would likely cost at least Carson. Maybe more. I'm sure there'll be teams wanting him.

Pass then. Not worth it for a player with no bird rights, IMO.

[sam_I_am]

I dont think Giles is going to be trotted out again though. He hasnt played this year, had his option declined and theres no firm details regarding whats going on. I think he’s just entirely dead salary at this point.

That may be so and if it is then I’m forced to agree but it’s all just conjecture at this point. Right now Semi is just stealing minutes from guys who deserve them more than he does and he’s likely gone after this year regardless. Low risk, high reward. If Giles flops then all you did is open minutes for Williams and Green

Trades aside -- I have no idea why Semi is still getting run at this point. Is there ever any reason to put Semi in instead of Grant Williams?

I agree but Semi had a huge impact against Bucks. In his time guarding Giannis our team scored 18 pts in less than 4 min. It might be worth keeping him on roster and getting limited minutes just as an option against Simmons, Pascal and GA....even though it is painful to watch him on offense.

[sam_I_am]

WCS ? If things go south for Golden St would they unload him? Salary going back is an easy match, just may take a pick to get him. He’s a legit shot blocker and net gain defensively.

WCS is the best trade target I can think of too. Legit 7 footer with some bulk to bang with Embiid/length to bother shots. Can move his feet well enough laterally to not kill you when he's switched onto smaller guys. Can get up and down the court.

Kemba-Brown-Hayward-Tatum-WCS would start. Then you have Smart, Grant Williams coming off the bench a ton. Plus Theis and RW3. Edwards for bench scoring. Wanamaker when you need another body at guard, he can run the offense as well as body up some smaller forwards.

I would consider this at trade deadline after he has had 6 mos. in their system. If he is still the same guy he has been I would pass but maybe he’ll learn something valuable there to take a flyer.... for Poirier and future 2nd round pick.