Trade Thread, Part 3: The Fun Continues

[RickyDizzle]

Bjelica for Wanamaker, Ojeleye, Poirier, and Milwaukee 1st... likely to be the last pick in the first round, we don't need another middling rookie. Tacko takes Poirier's role as the garbage time center. A healthy Celtics team doesn't need much Wanamaker time anyway, but Crson Edwards / Tremont Waters could soak up any minutes not used by Kemba and Smart. Smart, Bjelica, and Kanter gives us a good guard, forward, and big to come off the bench in the playoff rotation. Bjelicia is also Hayward insurance if Gordon opts out and signs elsewhere (unlikely I think) than Bjelica is our starting 4 next year.

Kings get a 1st... we could also add Tolliver and Carsen Edwards if the Kings want a little more upside, or our own 2nd.

Dizzy

[Darth Celtic]

Aaron Gordon and Mo Bamba contribute nothing to the Orlando Magic. Nothing. Why is it a good idea to bring them to Boston? It isn't.

I wanted Gordon at one point (never Bamba). The idea of him playing under Brad, without the other bigs in the way was intriguing. But, then I happened to watch 3 or 4 Orlando games and he doesn't impact the game at all. Just no way I would trade anyone on our team that matches salary for him.

from what i've seen, Gordon would be fine on a 10m a year deal, trading filler and a late first for him. What he makes and what they would want no.

From what i've seen Bamba is terrible at basketball, great at being tall. I think Tacko has more upside. Now, that said, because he's tall and young, i'd give up semi/poirer and the bucks pick for him and give him a shot as our 4th big man, but that's about it.

[Fencer reregistered]

Edwards, Semi, Poirier, Theis, 1st for Capela? I don’t like it. Take out Edwards, Semi, Theis - put in Kanter and Wanamaker - does that work?

What does Covington/Kanter for Capela do for Houston? Does it improve their defense? Their rebounding?

It probably does improve their scoring, actually.

[Fencer reregistered]

I like capela well enough, but i dont think hes an ideal fit for this team. And if he’s a square peg AND he doesnt take us to the next level, whats the point of taking that contract? That said, i concede that its at least a theoretical upgrade over what we have, although our center crew really has been decent. Better than i thought anyway

But if we are talking about guys of that ilk, im obliged to voice my unreasonable interest in miles turner.

Is there a deal that makes sense for Indy whose core is RoCo and Theis for Turner?

[jmr07019]

porier and Milwaukee first for Saric? Dario has a low salary (3.5) making it easy to trade for him. He’s useful and probably wouldn’t cost much to get. The downside .... are there enough minutes for him and Grant moving forward? Can those two play together? Not worth giving up the Milwaukee first for a modest upgrade at pf for a few months.

[djFan71]

Aaron Gordon and Mo Bamba contribute nothing to the Orlando Magic. Nothing. Why is it a good idea to bring them to Boston? It isn't.

I wanted Gordon at one point (never Bamba). The idea of him playing under Brad, without the other bigs in the way was intriguing. But, then I happened to watch 3 or 4 Orlando games and he doesn't impact the game at all. Just no way I would trade anyone on our team that matches salary for him.

from what i've seen, Gordon would be fine on a 10m a year deal, trading filler and a late first for him. What he makes and what they would want no.

From what i've seen Bamba is terrible at basketball, great at being tall. I think Tacko has more upside. Now, that said, because he's tall and young, i'd give up semi/poirer and the bucks pick for him and give him a shot as our 4th big man, but that's about it.

I want to and 3/4 this.

I would use our end of the bench/draft "assets" for something like an Alec Burks or similar for this year, or just keep them, rather than a Bamba. And, of course, ORL isn't going to do that. And if they do.... then you know something's up.

But, I have a weird thing where I love guys up to about 6'12" (KG/KD) but feel their mobility/effectiveness just craters past that point. Completely irrational, but there it is. Would love if Tacko proves me wrong (maybe he's really 6'17"?), but I'm not really expecting it.

[ddb]

Edwards, Semi, Poirier, Theis, 1st for Capela? I don’t like it. Take out Edwards, Semi, Theis - put in Kanter and Wanamaker - does that work?

What does Covington/Kanter for Capela do for Houston? Does it improve their defense? Their rebounding?

It probably does improve their scoring, actually.

if Houston wins it'll be because their offense is unstoppable. They aren't relying on Defense winning them a title. Convington/Tucker guarding on the wing would likely make them a better defensive team believe it or not. Kanter as a starter will rebound equally as good as Capela...he's better offensively over Capela. Capela is the better shot blocker/interior defender....

[5InOfLouisville]

I like capela well enough, but i dont think hes an ideal fit for this team. And if he’s a square peg AND he doesnt take us to the next level, whats the point of taking that contract? That said, i concede that its at least a theoretical upgrade over what we have, although our center crew really has been decent. Better than i thought anyway

But if we are talking about guys of that ilk, im obliged to voice my unreasonable interest in miles turner.

Is there a deal that makes sense for Indy whose core is RoCo and Theis for Turner?

Im not sure what the thinking is in Indy right now, but Miles Turner is redundant there. I think he is in the worst possible situation, as a 5b, whose role it is to just stand in the corner and get out of Sabonis's way.

I maintain that he defends well, boxes out, spaces the floor, is a decent ball mover, and can rebound if given the opportunity. Im not as high on Sabonis as some, but he is an excellent rebounder. but I'd argue that Turner helps him out, by boxing our and fighting and drawing attention while he gobbles them up.

I think he'd be a good fit for reasonable price.

IMO, our ideal 5 man must be able to protect the rim a bit and space the floor. That's partly why Theis continues to grow on me.

All that said, I don't think our center rotation is as big a hole as we make it out to be. theyre definitely outperforming my expectations.

[100proof]

Houston gets roco and theis

Minny gets romeo, poirier, nene boston first, houston protected first

Boston gets capela and thabo.

Kemba/wannamaker/edwards
Brown/smart
Hayward/semi/thabo
Tatum/grant
Capela/kanter/timelord.

Would look for a sf/pf deal on buyout or in a trade for wannamaker+

[klemen4]

If there is a small chance M.Turner is available, imo we have to do it, 23 years old, exactly the C we need and would be a great fit, on solid contract.

Hayward is 30 years old, with oupt out this summer...yes he is important for Boston, but looking ahead no better big will be available imo.

[GoCeltics123]

KAT won’t be available for at least another 2-3 seasons, unfortunately.

If our Sac and Memphis picks panned out better I think we could definitely make a top 3 offer for him.... but I see us getting trumped.

I would think New Orleans is the favorite here.

[Darth Celtic]

I wanted Gordon at one point (never Bamba). The idea of him playing under Brad, without the other bigs in the way was intriguing. But, then I happened to watch 3 or 4 Orlando games and he doesn't impact the game at all. Just no way I would trade anyone on our team that matches salary for him.

from what i've seen, Gordon would be fine on a 10m a year deal, trading filler and a late first for him. What he makes and what they would want no.

From what i've seen Bamba is terrible at basketball, great at being tall. I think Tacko has more upside. Now, that said, because he's tall and young, i'd give up semi/poirer and the bucks pick for him and give him a shot as our 4th big man, but that's about it.

I want to and 3/4 this.

I would use our end of the bench/draft "assets" for something like an Alec Burks or similar for this year, or just keep them, rather than a Bamba. And, of course, ORL isn't going to do that. And if they do.... then you know something's up.

But, I have a weird thing where I love guys up to about 6'12" (KG/KD) but feel their mobility/effectiveness just craters past that point. Completely irrational, but there it is. Would love if Tacko proves me wrong (maybe he's really 6'17"?), but I'm not really expecting it.

you put tacko in against teams that really want to drive, drive, and drive again, because no matter how he rotates, or what is going on, he stays in the paint, and is uncanny at blocking shots. Heck, even switching out on pick and roll to a pg, they have to shoot over him, driving in he can easily chase it down and easily block the layup attempt.

What will put him on the bench is a team of c, pf, sf who can all shoot 3's at a high rate with a pg/sg combo who can both drive and dish. He won't/can't rotate on defense to the 3pt line.

Watching him change the game in the GLeague already is fun. They don't have the big man shooters the nba does. By next year he should be on the team, doing the same thing. Coming on off the bench for 10 mins at a time to force mismatches against backups.

[jeremym480]

Would you consider trading the Memphis pick if it meant not trading any of our top 7 and getting two shooters in return?

Something like the Memphis pick and filler to Sacramento for Bjelica and Bogdonvic or to Detriot for Kennard and Morris?

I feel like the best way to come out of the East spreading teams like the Bucks and 76ers out and out-shooting them. We have decent shooters now but our bench needs serious help and IMO two guys who can stretch the floor is much more of a need than a big like Drummond.

[Homerclease]

Poirier, Semi, Wanamaker, our first and Milwaukee first to the Kings for Holmes and Yogi Ferrell. Add big depth and upgrade our backup point at the same time. Fall and Waters are our first round picks next year

[Green89]

Would you consider trading the Memphis pick if it meant not trading any of our top 7 and getting two shooters in return?

Something like the Memphis pick and filler to Sacramento for Bjelica and Bogdonvic or to Detriot for Kennard and Morris?

I feel like the best way to come out of the East spreading teams like the Bucks and 76ers out and out-shooting them. We have decent shooters now but our bench needs serious help and IMO two guys who can stretch the floor is much more of a need than a big like Drummond.

Grizz are in the eighth seed right now. The pick's value has greatly diminshed.

[djFan71]

Would you consider trading the Memphis pick if it meant not trading any of our top 7 and getting two shooters in return?

Something like the Memphis pick and filler to Sacramento for Bjelica and Bogdonvic or to Detriot for Kennard and Morris?

I feel like the best way to come out of the East spreading teams like the Bucks and 76ers out and out-shooting them. We have decent shooters now but our bench needs serious help and IMO two guys who can stretch the floor is much more of a need than a big like Drummond.

I'd probably say no. If you can use MEM and other assets to get a young player with upside and team control that is better than a lotto-ish pick, sure. But, I don't want to do it for just solid rotational guys. I'd rather take the chance of hitting the pick. BOS & MIL pick, I'm on board.

Poirier, Semi, Wanamaker, our first and Milwaukee first to the Kings for Holmes and Yogi Ferrell. Add big depth and upgrade our backup point at the same time. Fall and Waters are our first round picks next year

Sign me up. Holmes, WCJ (and someone else I can't remember right now) are my dream psuedo-realistic trades.

[5InOfLouisville]

I got a thing for holmes too

[Andrew McCeltic]

Edwards, Semi, Poirier, Theis, 1st for Capela? I don’t like it. Take out Edwards, Semi, Theis - put in Kanter and Wanamaker - does that work?

What does Covington/Kanter for Capela do for Houston? Does it improve their defense? Their rebounding?

It probably does improve their scoring, actually.

if Houston wins it'll be because their offense is unstoppable. They aren't relying on Defense winning them a title. Convington/Tucker guarding on the wing would likely make them a better defensive team believe it or not. Kanter as a starter will rebound equally as good as Capela...he's better offensively over Capela. Capela is the better shot blocker/interior defender....

I think they'd be hoping that Theis' solid defense, rebounding and toughness, combined with his ability to stretch the floor as a 4/5, would open up the floor for their superstar(s?) significantly. And having Covington to guard big wings and play off-ball would help them, too.

Kanter is a different proposition, he would just give them a post-up look they don't have right now.

Trying to think of another example where a contending team has traded away as talented a young player as Capela in order to improve chemistry/fit..

[MagicBagley18]

I wonder if ainge right now is at the point where he will trade that Memphis pick for depth help

[djFan71]

Blockbuster is a complete misnomer, but:
https://www.radio.com/sports/nba-trade-deadline-2020-5-possible-blockbuster-deals

Boston Celtics acquire Nerlens Noel from Oklahoma City Thunder for Robert Williams III

Trade Timelord's potential for someone doing it now. I don't think I do it (rather keep the upside when we're not winning a chip anyways), but it's one I hadn't heard before that seems plausible at least.

Thoughts?