OT: Patriots sign Cam Newton

[Captain_Caveman]

Disagree— look at his first 8 games in 18 before he tore his rotator cuff: 1900 yards, 67% completion, 15-4 TD-Int ratio.

Also, after the failure to plan for life after Scar in 2014, I’m confident we’ll be better off this time.

Yeah, but also look at the other 3.5 seasons since his Super Bowl year. Odds he lasts the season producing as he did in those first 8 games of 2018 are minimal IMO, especially after logging multiple significant injuries since then. FWIW, schedule was pretty weak for those 8 games. Considering that they got Baltimore just before they switched to Lamar, the best team they played was probably the Cowboys in Week 1?

IMO, if he stays healthy, Cam is probably the 25-30th best QB at best. I think Stidham can do that too, without eating into next year's cap. And he has higher upside for the future.

Can I take my victory lap yet, or do you need to see more?

Congrats. He's going to last like two more games playing this way, but you do you.

[Bleeding Green]

lmao the goalposts, I can barely get within 10 yards before they move back.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Yeah, but also look at the other 3.5 seasons since his Super Bowl year. Odds he lasts the season producing as he did in those first 8 games of 2018 are minimal IMO, especially after logging multiple significant injuries since then. FWIW, schedule was pretty weak for those 8 games. Considering that they got Baltimore just before they switched to Lamar, the best team they played was probably the Cowboys in Week 1?

IMO, if he stays healthy, Cam is probably the 25-30th best QB at best. I think Stidham can do that too, without eating into next year's cap. And he has higher upside for the future.

Can I take my victory lap yet, or do you need to see more?

Congrats. He's going to last like two more games playing this way, but you do you.

Stidham is our 3rd QB. He was just cute PR from a team trying to sell hope after choosing to let the GOAT walk in FA. He is unequivocally worse than Newton.

[bucknersrevenge]

Can I take my victory lap yet, or do you need to see more?

Congrats. He's going to last like two more games playing this way, but you do you.

Stidham is our 3rd QB. He was just cute PR from a team trying to sell hope after choosing to let the GOAT walk in FA. He is unequivocally worse than Newton.

I will be monitoring this as well.

[BillTheGOAT]

Patriots and Cam getting rave reviews on the national stage.

With so much uncertainty going into this season, eight opt outs due to covid. Its the first time in a long time we're talking about moral victories.

We were being lit up by Wilson and could have folded. Probably the worst receivers in football, yet Cam threw for 400 yards.

We need alot more help though, this team might do something in the AFC this year barring health issues.

Our next few opponents are banged up already.

Toughest games on the schedule are the Chiefs and Ravens.

And we have the toughest schedule in the NFL.

[Captain_Caveman]

Can I take my victory lap yet, or do you need to see more?

Congrats. He's going to last like two more games playing this way, but you do you.

Stidham is our 3rd QB. He was just cute PR from a team trying to sell hope after choosing to let the GOAT walk in FA. He is unequivocally worse than Newton.

Rooting for Cam. Would rather just have another $5m in cap room next year, when most other teams are hemorrhaging cash due to the loss in league revenue.

Probably won't come to that, as Cam will probably get hurt soon, though. So we both get to win!

[Captain_Caveman]

lmao the goalposts, I can barely get within 10 yards before they move back.

Was wrong about Stidham beating him out, although I think I acknowledged the possibility of him flaming out in camp.

But taking victory laps after Week 2 over a .500 team? The day after a loss, no less? Is that what you people have become? Is that how far you have fallen? Ugh.

[Bleeding Green]

>Stidham will beat out Cam

Cam beats out Stidham

>Cam is a 25-30 QB when healthy

Cam is healthy. Throws for 45-63, 5 total TD, 1 pick in two games (16 game prorated to 71 completion %, 40 TD, 16 pick).

>He'll only make it a few games like this.

There is no reason to take victory laps because you'll just keep adding on to the track.

[islandkid12]

Yes, it's only been two weeks but Cam is easily our best player and isn't at all close. Still can't believe we got him for peanuts

lol like how is this possible? all these scrubs?

Read on Twitter

[SmartWentCrazy]

Congrats. He's going to last like two more games playing this way, but you do you.

Stidham is our 3rd QB. He was just cute PR from a team trying to sell hope after choosing to let the GOAT walk in FA. He is unequivocally worse than Newton.

Rooting for Cam. Would rather just have another $5m in cap room next year, when most other teams are hemorrhaging cash due to the loss in league revenue.

Probably won't come to that, as Cam will probably get hurt soon, though. So we both get to win!

Just let me know when I get to claim victory.

[Bleeding Green]

Congrats. He's going to last like two more games playing this way, but you do you.

Stidham is our 3rd QB. He was just cute PR from a team trying to sell hope after choosing to let the GOAT walk in FA. He is unequivocally worse than Newton.

Rooting for Cam. Would rather just have another $5m in cap room next year, when most other teams are hemorrhaging cash due to the loss in league revenue.

Probably won't come to that, as Cam will probably get hurt soon, though. So we both get to win!

If Newton ends up costing 5m it means he hit nearly all of his contract incentives (All-Pro, Pro-Bowl, playoff wins) and the Patriots won the Super Bowl. If you'd rather miss that and have 5m to spend, yikes. Also the Patriots can let Newton walk next year and probably collect a very high comp pick. To still be against Cam Newton is just bordering on insanity. The only reason at all to have been down on the signing was if you thought he was injured, and he's shown pretty clearly that he is not.

[Captain_Caveman]

Stidham is our 3rd QB. He was just cute PR from a team trying to sell hope after choosing to let the GOAT walk in FA. He is unequivocally worse than Newton.

Rooting for Cam. Would rather just have another $5m in cap room next year, when most other teams are hemorrhaging cash due to the loss in league revenue.

Probably won't come to that, as Cam will probably get hurt soon, though. So we both get to win!

If Newton ends up costing 5m it means he hit nearly all of his contract incentives (All-Pro, Pro-Bowl, playoff wins) and the Patriots won the Super Bowl. If you'd rather miss that and have 5m to spend, yikes. Also the Patriots can let Newton walk next year and probably collect a very high comp pick. To still be against Cam Newton is just bordering on insanity. The only reason at all to have been down on the signing was if you thought he was injured, and he's shown pretty clearly that he is not.

The $5m based on his base contract and per game incentives, not the additional performance incentives.

Good point on the possible comp pick.

You guys are a little early on the rest. Especially after a loss, lol.

[Captain_Caveman]

>Stidham will beat out Cam

Cam beats out Stidham

>Cam is a 25-30 QB when healthy

Cam is healthy. Throws for 45-63, 5 total TD, 1 pick in two games (16 game prorated to 71 completion %, 40 TD, 16 pick).

>He'll only make it a few games like this.

There is no reason to take victory laps because you'll just keep adding on to the track.

Shades of IT fans trying to make me take the Shame Walk for a couple of years because I didn't want to build around a midget whose body was unlikely to hold up to his style of play.

On a similar note, already stated explicitly that this was part of why I didn't want Cam. Highly unlikely he lasts the year with this kind of usage at his age with his injury history. Ditto for Edelman.

Belichick will probably still win 7-9 games because he's Belichick, and because we are in the AFC Least.

[Bleeding Green]

I'm not early on anything. You just keep moving the goalposts. His base salary is like 1.05m and he can earn another few million with various playoff wins, playing time and all-pro selections. if you'd rather have 5m than win a Super Bowl that's on you.

I think it is fine to have been down on Cam Newton (but not really given the absurdly low cap hit) a few weeks ago because he hasn't really been healthy, is coming off a lisfranc injury, shoulder injuries, etc., but if he's healthy? He's been dominant in two starts so far.

But yeah he lost a game at the one yard line so nevermind.

If you can't see the difference between paying Cam Newton a few million dollars for one year and paying IT a max contract, then I guess all the comments on your profile have some merit. The downside to Newton getting injured is that you wasted 1 million dollars on a former all-world QB.

[SmartWentCrazy]

>Stidham will beat out Cam

Cam beats out Stidham

>Cam is a 25-30 QB when healthy

Cam is healthy. Throws for 45-63, 5 total TD, 1 pick in two games (16 game prorated to 71 completion %, 40 TD, 16 pick).

>He'll only make it a few games like this.

There is no reason to take victory laps because you'll just keep adding on to the track.

Shades of IT fans trying to make me take the Shame Walk for a couple of years because I didn't want to build around a midget whose body was unlikely to hold up to his style of play.

On a similar note, already stated explicitly that this was part of why I didn't want Cam. Highly unlikely he lasts the year with this kind of usage at his age with his injury history. Ditto for Edelman.

Belichick will probably still win 7-9 games because he's Belichick, and because we are in the AFC Least.

You said:

‘If healthy, hes about the 25th to 30th best QB’

If he gets hurt, its irrelevant due to your qualifier. He’s somewhere in the 8-12 range. Its okay to say your wrong on something. I haven't advocated a long term deal or anything— just that a healthy Newton actually gives us a shot to do something in the playoffs. The NFL isnt the NBA and you dont need nor want to tank due to the detriments to your culture.

This isnt IT and you know it, no matter how long you hold on elsewise. I will be here each week to remind you

Just take the L and move on.

[Captain_Caveman]

>Stidham will beat out Cam

Cam beats out Stidham

>Cam is a 25-30 QB when healthy

Cam is healthy. Throws for 45-63, 5 total TD, 1 pick in two games (16 game prorated to 71 completion %, 40 TD, 16 pick).

>He'll only make it a few games like this.

There is no reason to take victory laps because you'll just keep adding on to the track.

Shades of IT fans trying to make me take the Shame Walk for a couple of years because I didn't want to build around a midget whose body was unlikely to hold up to his style of play.

On a similar note, already stated explicitly that this was part of why I didn't want Cam. Highly unlikely he lasts the year with this kind of usage at his age with his injury history. Ditto for Edelman.

Belichick will probably still win 7-9 games because he's Belichick, and because we are in the AFC Least.

You said:

‘If healthy, hes about the 25th to 30th best QB’

If he gets hurt, its irrelevant due to your qualifier. He’s somewhere in the 8-12 range. Its okay to say your wrong on something. I haven't advocated a long term deal or anything— just that a healthy Newton actually gives us a shot to do something in the playoffs. The NFL isnt the NBA and you dont need nor want to tank due to the detriments to your culture.

This isnt IT and you know it, no matter how long you hold on elsewise. I will be here each week to remind you

Just take the L and move on.

Dude, it is Week 2, and you are trying to use his performance in a loss as a kill shot.

[sam_I_am]

Regardless of how long this lasts, he is a better QB than Tom Brady right now and more fun to watch. If the defense were as good as last year we would be dreaming of a deep playoff run right now. It’s not....so might as well be more fun to watch anyway.

[bucknersrevenge]

Shades of IT fans trying to make me take the Shame Walk for a couple of years because I didn't want to build around a midget whose body was unlikely to hold up to his style of play.

On a similar note, already stated explicitly that this was part of why I didn't want Cam. Highly unlikely he lasts the year with this kind of usage at his age with his injury history. Ditto for Edelman.

Belichick will probably still win 7-9 games because he's Belichick, and because we are in the AFC Least.

You said:

‘If healthy, hes about the 25th to 30th best QB’

If he gets hurt, its irrelevant due to your qualifier. He’s somewhere in the 8-12 range. Its okay to say your wrong on something. I haven't advocated a long term deal or anything— just that a healthy Newton actually gives us a shot to do something in the playoffs. The NFL isnt the NBA and you dont need nor want to tank due to the detriments to your culture.

This isnt IT and you know it, no matter how long you hold on elsewise. I will be here each week to remind you

Just take the L and move on.

Dude, it is Week 2, and you are trying to use his performance in a loss as a kill shot.

[Captain_Caveman]

Regardless of how long this lasts, he is a better QB than Tom Brady right now and more fun to watch. If the defense were as good as last year we would be dreaming of a deep playoff run right now. It’s not....so might as well be more fun to watch anyway.

In Bill I Trust. Dude went 11-5 with Cassel and won that first Super Bowl with an injured and generally untalented team.

But I can't agree with much in that post. Better than Brady? Are we sure about that? Deep playoff run was realistically on the table?

We are solid at DB and probably RB.

We are weak at LB, TE, and WR, and pretty suspect on the lines and at QB. Depth is a problem. Special teams have slipped but still look good, unless we are talking kicker, where we are terrible.

There's a lot of crappy teams on the schedule, but Sunday aside, we are probably not going to win a lot vs the better teams. Especially if they don't lose their top 2 free safeties in the first half, and one of their starting linebackers in the 2nd half.

[Captain_Caveman]

I'm not early on anything. You just keep moving the goalposts. His base salary is like 1.05m and he can earn another few million with various playoff wins, playing time and all-pro selections. if you'd rather have 5m than win a Super Bowl that's on you.

I think it is fine to have been down on Cam Newton (but not really given the absurdly low cap hit) a few weeks ago because he hasn't really been healthy, is coming off a lisfranc injury, shoulder injuries, etc., but if he's healthy? He's been dominant in two starts so far.

But yeah he lost a game at the one yard line so nevermind.

If you can't see the difference between paying Cam Newton a few million dollars for one year and paying IT a max contract, then I guess all the comments on your profile have some merit. The downside to Newton getting injured is that you wasted 1 million dollars on a former all-world QB.

By dominant, you mean hanging 21 points on a lowly-Dolphins team? You mean that Seattle's offense had outscored ours 28-10 heading into the 4th quarter yesterday? And by 35-16 with 4 minutes left in the game, before Cam mopped up some yardage stats vs a prevent defense that had lost two of their best players, plus one of the backups to those guys?

Hey, almost a nice win. Ridiculous call-out. You are talking about the Super Bowl right now? I mean...