Hayward Likely to OPT-IN to final year of contract!

[SichtingLives]

Sunday - "THIS TEAM IS WAY BETTER WITH HAYWARD AND I'LL FIGHT YOU ABOUT IT"

Monday - "WE'VE GOT TO TRADE HAYWARD"

This forum needs to consume more fiber for consistency

In a way, both things can be true.

It can be true that this team as currently constructed is way better with Hayward. It can also be true that for next season trading Hayward might be our best option to give us the flexibility to make meaningful improvements in other areas.

Beware thinking that Ainge or Stevens knows how to do that. Ainge is the ultimate moneyball GM, he knows how to deal for value. Trading Hayward for a championship configuration isn't what he does. If anything he moves Hayward for cap relief and draft picks. Hayward was the central figure to their entire rebuilding strategy and Danny didn't have a backup plan, as evidenced by him still being a key component all the way through the injuries. Kyrie was a coup but Hayward was the real golden goose for Ainge and Stevens, the HC on the court, their guy who plays the game the way they want and yada yada. And they still love him that much. Until Tatum and Brown take major leaps as playmakers (neither of which may happen), he's a necessary point forward next year. It's been an issue with this team construction for years, our team offense IQ is not very high nor is our HC a great offensive coach. We're currently in a bind on that. This rebuild is officially blown when Tatum walks out that door which is a very real possibility if Danny doesn't start playing chess. Dumping the broken leg guy with the bloated expiring deal seems like the obvious move on the surface but in reality it might just be the next blunder.

Two questions you need to ask - One: are we actually trying to be a contender next year and two: how do we realistically improve our offense next year by moving Hayward? Not an easy answer there.

[JHTruth]

Sunday - "THIS TEAM IS WAY BETTER WITH HAYWARD AND I'LL FIGHT YOU ABOUT IT"

Monday - "WE'VE GOT TO TRADE HAYWARD"

This forum needs to consume more fiber for consistency

In a way, both things can be true.

It can be true that this team as currently constructed is way better with Hayward. It can also be true that for next season trading Hayward might be our best option to give us the flexibility to make meaningful improvements in other areas.

Beware thinking that Ainge or Stevens knows how to do that. Ainge is the ultimate moneyball GM, he knows how to deal for value. Trading Hayward for a championship configuration isn't what he does. If anything he moves Hayward for cap relief and draft picks. Hayward was the central figure to their entire rebuilding strategy and Danny didn't have a backup plan, as evidenced by him still being a key component all the way through the injuries. Kyrie was a coup but Hayward was the real golden goose for Ainge and Stevens, the HC on the court, their guy who plays the game the way they want and yada yada. And they still love him that much. Until Tatum and Brown take major leaps as playmakers (neither of which may happen), he's a necessary point forward next year. It's been an issue with this team construction for years, our team offense IQ is not very high nor is our HC a great offensive coach. We're currently in a bind on that. This rebuild is officially blown when Tatum walks out that door which is a very real possibility if Danny doesn't start playing chess. Dumping the broken leg guy with the bloated expiring deal seems like the obvious move on the surface but in reality it might just be the next blunder.

Two questions you need to ask - One: are we actually trying to be a contender next year and two: how do we realistically improve our offense next year by moving Hayward? Not an easy answer there.

You have to get playmaking back. That's why you go get an elite PG prospect. Hayward was brought in to be the key to it all. Then it turns out Tatum and Brown are stone cold legit, Kyrie was a bust, and Horford got sick of it all and bounced (to a worse situation ironically).

No way Danny thought Tatum and Brown would get THIS good this fast. Or that Hayward would bust his leg. But here we are..

[floyd]

Hayward + picks for Holiday?

[SichtingLives]

In a way, both things can be true.

It can be true that this team as currently constructed is way better with Hayward. It can also be true that for next season trading Hayward might be our best option to give us the flexibility to make meaningful improvements in other areas.

Beware thinking that Ainge or Stevens knows how to do that. Ainge is the ultimate moneyball GM, he knows how to deal for value. Trading Hayward for a championship configuration isn't what he does. If anything he moves Hayward for cap relief and draft picks. Hayward was the central figure to their entire rebuilding strategy and Danny didn't have a backup plan, as evidenced by him still being a key component all the way through the injuries. Kyrie was a coup but Hayward was the real golden goose for Ainge and Stevens, the HC on the court, their guy who plays the game the way they want and yada yada. And they still love him that much. Until Tatum and Brown take major leaps as playmakers (neither of which may happen), he's a necessary point forward next year. It's been an issue with this team construction for years, our team offense IQ is not very high nor is our HC a great offensive coach. We're currently in a bind on that. This rebuild is officially blown when Tatum walks out that door which is a very real possibility if Danny doesn't start playing chess. Dumping the broken leg guy with the bloated expiring deal seems like the obvious move on the surface but in reality it might just be the next blunder.

Two questions you need to ask - One: are we actually trying to be a contender next year and two: how do we realistically improve our offense next year by moving Hayward? Not an easy answer there.

You have to get playmaking back. That's why you go get an elite PG prospect. Hayward was brought in to be the key to it all. Then it turns out Tatum and Brown are stone cold legit, Kyrie was a bust, and Horford got sick of it all and bounced (to a worse situation ironically).

No way Danny thought Tatum and Brown would get THIS good this fast. Or that Hayward would bust his leg. But here we are..

I agree. He would've done things differently if he knew what those guys would become this quickly. But still all this time later, Hayward is still a major lynchpin to the offense working most efficiently. Believe me I'm on the change of scenery bandwagon both for him and us but the nuts and bolts of this team says we don't have an easy way of replacing his role. I personally do not want to see another sub 6'2" guard on this team is any capacity I'll take another 3 point shooter with defensive length any day over that. Look at Miami where they've got 4 mid-rotation guys in Herro, Robinson, Crowder and Iggy who can spread the floor with 3's, move the ball, move without the ball and all have the size to defend. If one or two of those guys are the size of Kemba, their offense and defense loses a lot of dynamic. Put a shooter in Haywards role and it might work IF Tatum and Brown are both going to makes leaps as playmakers. Kind of have to put all your hopes on Tatum at this point and hope he gets there.

My biggest knock on Hayward is actually that his 3 point shooting is inconsistent and he's reluctant to pull them. At this point in his career he should be bombing threes left and right and he's a little too interested in penetrating and dishing. The guys he has around him don't really need him to do that but then again when he doesn't they tend to get lost on a island playing iso ball.

[Celts17Pride]

Hayward to Miami for Bam Adebayo and Herro, maybe Miami throws in a pick. Call it a day.

[StojkoVrankovic]

This has been floated for a year nothing new...but we’ll see

Turner does nothing for us and certainly isn't worth that package

Whether you think Turner is worth the package is one thing, but as far as whether he does anything for us

Well...

Turner averaged 16 pts, 11 reb & 4 blk against Miami to Bam's 15 pts, 11 reb & 5 ast.

Theis, Kanter & Time Lord combined averaged 15 pts, 15 reb & 1 blk to Bam's 22 pts, 11 reb & 5 ast

Right, but on this team he is the 5th option

[batabatuta]

The writings on the wall with Hayward, he is getting traded after he opts in. It seems like a mutual parting of ways. I've sensed Gordon was just being professional but deep inside it's hard for him to play with 2 guys younger than him playing his same position. He probably wants a fresh start. As for us, we need quality guys who can play alongside the Jays. The Jays are our future until one of them bolts out.

[MagicBagley18]

Also, Boston shouldn't be building to beat Miami. Boston should be building to be the LA teams. The Lakers are about to **** pump the Heat. Book it. 4-1

The Heat are a weird bubble creation. Well coached, disciplined, good chemistry.

No chance the heat are long term players in the conference.

Bucks, Celts, Nets are too 3 for new their with Heat, Philly and Raps next tier IMO.


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Heat are going to sign Greek Freak next summer. Just wait

So then we should be building to beat Miami......

[Taget]

Sunday - "THIS TEAM IS WAY BETTER WITH HAYWARD AND I'LL FIGHT YOU ABOUT IT"

Monday - "WE'VE GOT TO TRADE HAYWARD"

This forum needs to consume more fiber for consistency

Our bench was pathetic and we really needed for someone to come in and take some minutes to rest our starters. Since we looked and WERE ragged in the 4th for both the Miami and Toronto series of course we wanted Hayward back. But for 34 million we can and should be doing better than hoping we can get that player to be a useful 6th man. And quite frankly there has almost been a hex on him. Maybe he can have better luck somewhere else.

Of course the question is who will take Hayward's place as the always injured white former all-star with a huge salary? Just as Raef LaFrentz begat Wally Szczerbiak someone must arise to eat up our cap space. Kristaps Porzingis perhaps?

[will]

For 34 million dollars this season alone?

Absodamnlutely. On that wage, Hayward and his lady can have 4 more children.

[Shak_Celts]

I'd personally bust Hayward in his mouth if he doesn't take that 34 million! That's 34 million even if you don't play for it! If it was me, I'm cashing those checks! This opinion has nothing to do with what the Cs should do or what I would want as a fan. Unless he is getting A long term contract this offseason he should take that money especially after these 3 years of missing so many games or not being 100% while playing. Take that money Hay, an NBA career is so short.

[BostonCouchGM]

I'd personally bust Hayward in his mouth if he doesn't take that 34 million! That's 34 million even if you don't play for it! If it was me, I'm cashing those checks! This opinion has nothing to do with what the Cs should do or what I would want as a fan. Unless he is getting A long term contract this offseason he should take that money especially after these 3 years of missing so many games or not being 100% while playing. Take that money Hay, an NBA career is so short.

thing is, there are G.M.s with a lot of cap space, in the wide open East, trying to save their jobs and this isn't a particular good FA class. If Hayward opts out, yes he loses $34 million this upcoming season. But if he gets injured again or is ineffective, he won't get a very good deal in 2021 especially being a year older. Now, if he enters the FA market, being THE best player available, with how many teams need him, who likely know they won't land any of the top guys in the following great FA class, then he could get a huge 5 year contract that would take him to retirement. It'd also give him stability for his family. Whereas, he plays here one more year, than bounces to the next destination because he won't get extended here, not with Tatum needing to be paid. Most likely scenario is he opts in because he knows he's being moved and to a place that will sign him to an extension. Either way, there's plenty of reasons for him not to opt in even though it's unlikely that he doesn't.

[return2glory]

Also, Boston shouldn't be building to beat Miami. Boston should be building to be the LA teams. The Lakers are about to **** pump the Heat. Book it. 4-1

I don’t know. I wouldn’t count the Heat out.

Bam can slow down AD a bit. Lebron won’t have a cake walk like he did vs the Nuggets who had no one to guard him. Butler, Crowder and Iggy will make him slow him down a bit.

[Shak_Celts]

I'd personally bust Hayward in his mouth if he doesn't take that 34 million! That's 34 million even if you don't play for it! If it was me, I'm cashing those checks! This opinion has nothing to do with what the Cs should do or what I would want as a fan. Unless he is getting A long term contract this offseason he should take that money especially after these 3 years of missing so many games or not being 100% while playing. Take that money Hay, an NBA career is so short.

thing is, there are G.M.s with a lot of cap space, in the wide open East, trying to save their jobs and this isn't a particular good FA class. If Hayward opts out, yes he loses $34 million this upcoming season. But if he gets injured again or is ineffective, he won't get a very good deal in 2021 especially being a year older. Now, if he enters the FA market, being THE best player available, with how many teams need him, who likely know they won't land any of the top guys in the following great FA class, then he could get a huge 5 year contract that would take him to retirement. It'd also give him stability for his family. Whereas, he plays here one more year, than bounces to the next destination because he won't get extended here, not with Tatum needing to be paid. Most likely scenario is he opts in because he knows he's being moved and to a place that will sign him to an extension. Either way, there's plenty of reasons for him not to opt in even though it's unlikely that he doesn't.

I said "unless he gets a long term contract this offseason" in the post.

[Fencer reregistered]

Looking back, Hayward hasn't really contributed much to the team that turned out to be important. Yes, he played extremely well at times this past season, contributing to the Cs' seeding -- but this happened to wind up being a year where seedings mattered little. Yes, he played extremely well in the first game of the postseason -- but the Cs went on to sweep the next three games of the series without his help. Yes, he made some good plays in the Miami series -- but not that many, and he stank in Game 6.

He deserves and receives a lot of respect, and decent treatment -- but not a lot of affection or loyalty beyond that.

[Shak_Celts]

Also, Boston shouldn't be building to beat Miami. Boston should be building to be the LA teams. The Lakers are about to **** pump the Heat. Book it. 4-1

I don’t know. I wouldn’t count the Heat out.

Bam can slow down AD a bit. Lebron won’t have a cake walk like he did vs the Nuggets who had no one to guard him. Butler, Crowder and Iggy will make him slow him down a bit.

Can only hope. Please Miami best them! I just feel like this is over already tho.


DAMN THE LAKERS AND LBJ!! Damn them to hell!! I can't believe we don't get a shot at them!

[La Flame]

Hayward + picks for Holiday?

Yes all day.

Kemba/Jrue/Brown/Tatum/Theis

Or go super defense mode

Jrue/Smart/Brown/Tatum/Williams

[MrGreenRunsDeep]

Hayward to Miami for Bam Adebayo and Herro, maybe Miami throws in a pick. Call it a day.

I want some of that sh**t you smoking

[ParticleMan]

well, i wanted him to opt out but i didn't expect it. atm he wouldn't get more than 20m on the open market.

i agree that trading him is the best option, and indy is the logical choice. i have never been a myles turner fan but that is a fair swap right now. oladipo also would be fair, maybe less of a fit but more talent. also an expiring so not a long term investment. if dipo would buy into our ball movement based scheme he could be huge, he's not a big dropoff from smart on D but a huuuge boost on O so smart can move back to the bench. leaves us undersized but we still have picks etc.

[Homerclease]

My option isn’t in the poll, I think he should be extended personally. When healthy he’s our second best player