Danny Ainge's AOS (of a season): CLE 117, BOS 110 (20-20)

[Feed Your Head]

To be honest, I don’t really understand how these +/- ratings work. How can Rob Williams have -

14 rebounds
3 assists
2 steals
4 blocks
13 points

In 27 minutes and have a -13 rating?? Is it the 1 turnover and 4 fouls that give him a minus rating?

It’s just because he was on the court during the disaster of a second quarter.

Single game +/- lies quite a bit.

[zoyathedestroya]

Anyway, I admire all of you who are still displaying any amount of objectivity without any hint of snark and disdain.

[smith2373]

I appreciate everything Brad has done since he's been here, but I think his tenure has just ran its course. It's time for new blood, it's time for a new voice in the locker room. We need someone to come in and change the culture. Right now watching this team, it just feels like there's no structure, there's no accountability, there's no pride. We need that hiring like we've seen recently with Thibs, Monty Williams, or Juwan Howard.

I don't know if Brad has mentally checked out or if the players are just tuning him out at this point or what, but I feel like anyone who's watched this team closely his entire run can say that things seem different now. A few years ago, if nothing else we knew the Celtics were going to play hard from start to finish. Can't say that now.

As for Ainge, I could write a War and Peace length novel about the issues I've had with his decision making over the years. It used to be an unpopular opinion in these woods but the narrative finally seems to be shifting.

[JHTruth]

To be honest, I don’t really understand how these +/- ratings work. How can Rob Williams have -

14 rebounds
3 assists
2 steals
4 blocks
13 points

In 27 minutes and have a -13 rating?? Is it the 1 turnover and 4 fouls that give him a minus rating?

Team was wrecked tonight. Rob's +/- was collateral damage

[Celts17Pride]

To be honest, I don’t really understand how these +/- ratings work. How can Rob Williams have -

14 rebounds
3 assists
2 steals
4 blocks
13 points

In 27 minutes and have a -13 rating?? Is it the 1 turnover and 4 fouls that give him a minus rating?

It means the Cavs outscored the Celtics by 13 points when R Williams was on the floor. Could be a lot of reasons for that. Could be RW3, the teammates he was playing with, the other team just hot when he was on the floor etc.

[MagicBagley18]

Brads not going anywhere he just told IU to **** off and unless duke comes around soon he’s here

[JHTruth]

I appreciate everything Brad has done since he's been here, but I think his tenure has just ran its course. It's time for new blood, it's time for a new voice in the locker room. We need someone to come in and change the culture. Right now watching this team, it just feels like there's no structure, there's no accountability, there's no pride. We need that hiring like we've seen recently with Thibs, Monty Williams, or Juwan Howard.

I don't know if Brad has mentally checked out or if the players are just tuning him out at this point or what, but I feel like anyone who's watched this team closely his entire run can say that things seem different now. A few years ago, if nothing else we knew the Celtics were going to play hard from start to finish. Can't say that now.

As for Ainge, I could write a War and Peace length novel about the issues I've had with his decision making over the years. It used to be an unpopular opinion in these woods but the narrative finally seems to be shifting.

Brads a nice guy but NBA players don't respect him. Even Hayward was like "Nah" and peaced out. And they were supposed to be boys. Refs don't respect him. His players never get calls. Really smart guy though

[Celts17Pride]

My biggest disappointment with this team is after games like this one no player gets angry. Tatum doesn’t, Brown doesn’t, Kemba doesn’t. It like par for the course. It’s acceptable

[playa-hater]

Read on Twitter

Right now, our identity is that we are the worst 4th-quarter team in the league. They've been in the most clutch situations and only won a few of them. Ultimately, they're the ultimate tease, fooling us into thinking they're good enough, only to crap all over the bed.

well he is right about Identity. The Identity I wanted in the offseason was to build a strong athletic switch-able defensive team.

I wanted Timelord at center, with the Js at the wing position. I had wanted Nesmith or S Bey to be a switchable 3rd wing starting with Smart NOT KEMBA. So even if our offense sputtered, we would still have good defense.

Fast forward till now, RW still is the only center NOT to start, Kemba is always starting (since return) Nesmith rides the pine and S Bey is playing really good elsewhere. would could have added another wing playing well in Desmond Bane.

I just can't imagine that if the team followed this formula that we would be anywhere near this bad.

[zoyathedestroya]

I wasn't here during the 90s or mid-2000s so this is all new to me. How bad is it right now?

[Green89]

Anyone just blaming one of Brad/Ainge is being silly. Both have not done a good job, same for the players. Obviously Tatum and Jaylen have done what they can, but they’ve also had their own issues playing within the offense.

It’s an everyone and everything problem, the worst kind.

Red Sox were in last place, the Patriots didn't make the playoffs, this could have been a time for Celtics ownership to really capitalize on the local fanbase, as soon as covid restrictions are lifted. They're blowing a major opportunity here to gain a lot of the local sports fans interest. Instead, they're letting Ainge flush things down the toilet.

[Shak_Celts]

My biggest disappointment with this team is after games like this one no player gets angry. Tatum doesn’t, Brown doesn’t, Kemba doesn’t. It like par for the course. It’s acceptable

throw in your coach and smart too. matter of fact add on danny and wyc. really, just say the top guys.

[SuperDeluxe]

Perk is absolutely right. He said the same thing Mike Gorman had said a couple of weeks ago, only in a much more diplomatic way.

To be honest, the way we are playing kind of reminds me of the Pierce/Walker team—they shot the ball all the time so the rest of the team had to make do with crumbs.

[31to6]

I appreciate everything Brad has done since he's been here, but I think his tenure has just ran its course. It's time for new blood, it's time for a new voice in the locker room. We need someone to come in and change the culture. Right now watching this team, it just feels like there's no structure, there's no accountability, there's no pride. We need that hiring like we've seen recently with Thibs, Monty Williams, or Juwan Howard.

I don't know if Brad has mentally checked out or if the players are just tuning him out at this point or what, but I feel like anyone who's watched this team closely his entire run can say that things seem different now. A few years ago, if nothing else we knew the Celtics were going to play hard from start to finish. Can't say that now.

As for Ainge, I could write a War and Peace length novel about the issues I've had with his decision making over the years. It used to be an unpopular opinion in these woods but the narrative finally seems to be shifting.

+1 everything about Brad here.
Doc had the stones to butt heads with young Paul Pierce and get him to play the right way. Stop playing 'hero ball' and no 'dancing with' the ball. I wasn't sure it was the right tack or if it was going to work, but turns out it was and it did.

Can any of us imagine that JT and/or JB think Brad has *anything* to offer them at this point? Beyond probably being an easy guy to get along with? Can any of us imagine Brad challenging JT and/or JB to get better in any significant way?

We can blow up the roster -- if Danny has the mental acuity and energy levels for it -- or fake injuries and tank (getting appealing!) -- or do what most teams do and change the coach. I know Brad is the anointed one and seems to have a lifetime appointment, but if this **** continues I hope that's the first domino to fall. And USE THE DAMN TPE or at least a good chunk of it to get another starter because starting Semi is insulting to this great franchise's history.

[Green89]

I wasn't here during the 90s or mid-2000s so this is all new to me. How bad is it right now?

Not as bad a team, but maybe even a worse situation because we have good players, have had good players, and been set up with good picks, yet we are worse than teams like the Hornets, who didn't have any of that the last several years. In that sense, this is worse. Those other teams didn't have the assets or talent.

[JHTruth]

I wasn't here during the 90s or mid-2000s so this is all new to me. How bad is it right now?

There's been worse. The 2006-07 was a nightmare on this board although eventually people just stop posting

[RondoToKG]

This team is run terribly. Brad Stevens sucks and has always sucked.

[playa-hater]

I appreciate everything Brad has done since he's been here, but I think his tenure has just ran its course. It's time for new blood, it's time for a new voice in the locker room. We need someone to come in and change the culture. Right now watching this team, it just feels like there's no structure, there's no accountability, there's no pride. We need that hiring like we've seen recently with Thibs, Monty Williams, or Juwan Howard.

I don't know if Brad has mentally checked out or if the players are just tuning him out at this point or what, but I feel like anyone who's watched this team closely his entire run can say that things seem different now. A few years ago, if nothing else we knew the Celtics were going to play hard from start to finish. Can't say that now.

As for Ainge, I could write a War and Peace length novel about the issues I've had with his decision making over the years. It used to be an unpopular opinion in these woods but the narrative finally seems to be shifting.

excellent post. I think you hit the nail on the head.

[Feed Your Head]

I wasn't here during the 90s or mid-2000s so this is all new to me. How bad is it right now?

My biggest issue with what’s going on is that I just don’t see a real fix for the issue. They could get Barnes or something, but it won’t make a difference. They could get bench help, but it won’t make a difference. They could be sellers, and it won’t make a difference, outside of saving some money.

The Grizzlies and Kings picks were our last best chance, as Danny was obviously never moving Jaylen for Harden. Not really sure what they should do, I just know I’m extremely discouraged.

[31to6]

I wasn't here during the 90s or mid-2000s so this is all new to me. How bad is it right now?

This is a walk in the park.
Maybe a boring walk in the park, and raining when you expected it to be sunny, but still we'd need to lose to the Cavs every night for 5 years to reach the 90s/mid2000s levels.