Summer League 2023, Multi-Game Thread – Celtics (2-3) in Vegas, July 7-17

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I like this to be our SL starting lineup:

F: Vincent Valerio-Bodon
F: Justin Champagnie
C: Aleksander Balcerowski
G: JD Davison
G: Jordan Walsh

Bench:
Mychal Mulder
Jay Scrubb
Justin Bean
Kamar Baldwin

No big names, but JD and Champagnie should do well. Interested to see how Walsh, VVB and Balcerowski play.

Looks about right. Minor thing, but I think Champagnie is more of a guard than Walsh. Both of their natural position is SF, but I think Champagnie can slide down to the 2 better than Walsh. Walsh actually played some at the 4 this past season at Arkansas - but mostly at the 3.

They're both wings..

But yeah, I'm excited to see how all 5 of the starters look. It'll be a fun group.

I like that we have these 2 lesser known international guys, both with several years of experience playing pro ball overseas. Both with some legit talent. But are they NBA caliber? We'll find out.

And I think Champagnie has something to prove in SL. He's still only 21. But this will be his third year playing summer league. Undrafted kid. Got waived by the raptors. Has played in the NBA a little but the vast majority of his playing time these past 2 years has been in the g league. He's put up good numbers in the g league but hasn't done much of anything in 2 NBA seasons. Is he destined to be a career g-leaguer / overseas guy? Or is he a legit NBA player? This is (perhaps last) chance to prove it. Especially with us drafting Walsh, he's a longshot to get minutes in Boston - or even make the roster. So if he can have a strong showing in summer league, perhaps he is a guy who gets signed by a different NBA team afterwards, one with less talent, less depth (especially at the wing position) where he can have more of a chance..

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Can you call a 38th pick a bust? anyways I mean nothing personal but I expect nothing from any second rounder. Especially one that has reduced stats from junior year then went to link to senior high school then again in college. to me I always felt 5 star recruits better there stats not lowered them with better competition. His defense is sound but offense has a long way to go and has gotten worse against better competition. So anything he bring will remove a bust label. I'm rooting for him to be something because the bench need improvement big time

No idea what the bold part is supposed to mean but Walsh's senior year of HS at Link Academy he was the best player and go-to scorer for the 2nd best HS team on the planet. They won 3 straight games at GEICO nationals to advance to the national title game where they fell to perennial powerhouse Montverde Academy, who had a bunch of future NBA players, including Dariq Whitehead and Jalen Hood-Schifino.

And are you really saying that you think a player's stats should get better when going from senior year of HS (where they're playing against all kids who are either same age or younger than them) to freshman year of college (when they're younger - often times 3-5 years younger) than many of the dudes they're playing against? Cause that's a pretty wild take..

not a hot take just facts. He has attended Faith Family Academy in Dallas, Texas, where he has averaged 18 points, 11 rebounds, five assists, 2.4 steals, and 2.3 blocks. He has later transferred to link which played against better competition teams 15.3 points, 7.2 rebounds, and 3.1 assists then in college against yep you guessed college players are better than high school most high schoolers don't make it to college so against college player( better competition as discussed) 7.1 ppg 3.9rbg 0apg .5 blocks .28 3% and his foul rate went up junior to senior then college freshman. Facts but as I said I've got to root for him to come around he is only 19 but I don't like trending down stats. Not every 38th pick has to be perfect but you cannot give him a bust title it's the 38th pick

I bet most of the freshman drafted this year averaged more as a senior in high school (being the man, clear #1 option, and oldest) than they did as a freshman. Maybe not the same kind of drop off as Walsh, but I would be surprised if a freshman came in and averaged even more points, rebounds or whatever else than he did as a senior in high school.

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I'd say that we need like 5 more players, or so.

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Anyone ever heard of a Max Roster limit, for Summer League?
Cause, I can remember when a team was so full, that they put out 2 x separate Teams.

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I'd say that we need like 5 more players, or so.

5 more? No way. 14 would be way too many. It's just summer league. You play 8 or 9 guys, maybe 10 at the most. And there's only a few games so it's not like you need a deep team to withstand a long, grueling season.

I could see us *maybe* adding 1 more guy..

If you carry too many guys, then you're not giving guys enough minutes or reps to really show what they can do. This is their chance to prove they belong in the NBA.

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I'd say that we need like 5 more players, or so.

5 more? No way. 14 would be way too many. It's just summer league. You play 8 or 9 guys, maybe 10 at the most. And there's only a few games so it's not like you need a deep team to withstand a long, grueling season.

I could see us *maybe* adding 1 more guy..

If you carry too many guys, then you're not giving guys enough minutes or reps to really show what they can do. This is their chance to prove they belong in the NBA.

It's not out of the ordinary for a summer league roster to be 14 or even more players.

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I'd say that we need like 5 more players, or so.

5 more? No way. 14 would be way too many. It's just summer league. You play 8 or 9 guys, maybe 10 at the most. And there's only a few games so it's not like you need a deep team to withstand a long, grueling season.

I could see us *maybe* adding 1 more guy..

If you carry too many guys, then you're not giving guys enough minutes or reps to really show what they can do. This is their chance to prove they belong in the NBA.

It's not out of the ordinary for a summer league roster to be 14 or even more players.

Well, imo we don't need that many. IMO, all we need is 8 or 9 guys, maybe 10 at the most. So everyone can get enough minutes to show what they can do. It's not like we need a deep team to survice a long, grueling season - as I said.

I guess 10 is ideal, so you have enough to go 5x5 in practice. So like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if we maybe add 1 more guy.

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Actually exited to see Aleksander Balcerowski. Haven't watched him play at all this season, but if you remember last EUrobasket and our General board thread, he looked great, he was a discovery, we constantly were asking how this guy went undrafted.

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5 more? No way. 14 would be way too many. It's just summer league. You play 8 or 9 guys, maybe 10 at the most. And there's only a few games so it's not like you need a deep team to withstand a long, grueling season.

I could see us *maybe* adding 1 more guy..

If you carry too many guys, then you're not giving guys enough minutes or reps to really show what they can do. This is their chance to prove they belong in the NBA.

It's not out of the ordinary for a summer league roster to be 14 or even more players.

Well, imo we don't need that many. IMO, all we need is 8 or 9 guys, maybe 10 at the most. So everyone can get enough minutes to show what they can do. It's not like we need a deep team to survice a long, grueling season - as I said.

I guess 10 is ideal, so you have enough to go 5x5 in practice. So like I said, I wouldn't be surprised if we maybe add 1 more guy.

Yeah. I think that we generally have 12 - 16 players.

I remember Utah Jazz had 23 guys one year, and presented 2 teams.:
Jazz White and Jazz Blue, with 12 & 11 players, respectively.

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https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/amp/and_ones_cba_changes_free_agents_las_vegas_holland/s1_14822_38942528

According to [Keith] Smith, the second-round pick exception will allow teams to sign players to three- or four-year contracts with team options in the final season. It will also give second-round draftees the opportunity to earn more than the rookie minimum in the first season (for three-year deals) or in the first two seasons (for four-year deals).

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https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/amp/and_ones_cba_changes_free_agents_las_vegas_holland/s1_14822_38942528

According to [Keith] Smith, the second-round pick exception will allow teams to sign players to three- or four-year contracts with team options in the final season. It will also give second-round draftees the opportunity to earn more than the rookie minimum in the first season (for three-year deals) or in the first two seasons (for four-year deals).

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Would this apply just to second round picks going forward or to previous second round picks we only own the rights to (Bergarin) or we’ve only signed to a 2-way (JD)? I know one of the reasons for not signing either is giving up too much of their contract time to development and by the time they’re truly ready they’ll be making more. This could alleviate that some if we could sign those guys to longer deals.

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I got a feeling we will have Reginald Kissoonlal 7'0 FC and Marial Shayok 6.5 G, both from Maine Celtics G-league team. It would not surprise me if they were included anyway.

Cody Taylor: Reggie Kissoonlal will play summer league with the Celtics, a source told @RookieWire. He played last season with the Maine Celtics.

Called 1/2 of it at least.

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I'd say that we need like 5 more players, or so.

add another 7'0 guy to the roster.
Cody Taylor: Reggie Kissoonlal will play summer league with the Celtics, a source told @RookieWire. He played last season with the Maine Celtics.

So that's Aleksander Balcerowski @ 7'1, Kissoonlal @ 7'0 and Vincent Valerio-Bodon @ 6'10. Looks to me Brad is looking at additional big men for either the regular roster or 2-way contracts. Again, no mention of Kabengele @ 6'10, so either he has a spot already or he has been sent packing.

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I'm looking forward to watching Justin Bean, statistically he looks like a legit high level 3&d prospect.

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We only had 1 PG and only 1 big man. German gives us another PG and Kissoonlal gives us another big. The roster looks good now.

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https://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/amp/and_ones_cba_changes_free_agents_las_vegas_holland/s1_14822_38942528

According to [Keith] Smith, the second-round pick exception will allow teams to sign players to three- or four-year contracts with team options in the final season. It will also give second-round draftees the opportunity to earn more than the rookie minimum in the first season (for three-year deals) or in the first two seasons (for four-year deals).

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Would this apply just to second round picks going forward or to previous second round picks we only own the rights to (Bergarin) or we’ve only signed to a 2-way (JD)? I know one of the reasons for not signing either is giving up too much of their contract time to development and by the time they’re truly ready they’ll be making more. This could alleviate that some if we could sign those guys to longer deals.

1) I think that this may count only for 2nd Rounders, starting with the 2023 Draft (CBA 2023).
2) Two-Ways still accrue NBA-time, but not Contract-time, if that makes sense?

I.e.:
3) JD will be considered a 2nd yr player. But, his NBA-contract won start to run, until he actually signs an NBA Contract.

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We only had 1 PG and only 1 big man. German gives us another PG and Kissoonlal gives us another big. The roster looks good now.

Except German's not a real PG. He's a shrimpy SG trying to slip in as a PG. Last SL he averaged 0.3 assists per game. Through 4 years of college he averaged 2.02 assists per game.

Kamar Baldwin as a 26yo former Butler player probably fits better as the backup PG here.

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I'm looking forward to watching Justin Bean, statistically he looks like a legit high level 3&d prospect.

Then he'd better play amazing D, because at 26 he just shot 36% from 3 in a league that barely plays D.