Trade/Free Agency Thread, pt 5, 2023-24 – (6PM [ET], Fri, June 30)

[hugepatsfan]

If Cs extended Porzingis and Brown to their max, kept Brogdon, and signed two 10-year vets in 2024-25, we'd be at around $200M in salaries for 12 guys lol.

EDIT: In 2025-26, it's $160M between Tatum, Brown, Porzingis, and Timelord alone lol.

That’s not that bad at all. The 2nd apron is like $200.75M for 24-25. So add in a few rookie minimums and we’d just need to free up a few million to duck the 2nd tax.

We just have to move Brogdon’s deal, which will be an expiring for either a cheaper player or for a couple of players. And we’ll have a bunch of picks to use to attach it. Very workable.

[Larry_Russell]

Nope. Its really not though. Look back at the games. Doesn't matter why he did it. The fact is more often than not Smart had the ball with the game on the line. The guy would also shoot 3s like he was Steph Curry. Really good role player but he will never be a star player. He is what he is and this organization spent years pumping his tires to the point that he felt he was on the same level as the other two.

wrong,

In this past playoff smart tied for the 4th most fga in the clutch time...converting on 57% of them (behind only Williams)
In the regular seaon he was 4th

you are just throwing out statements that are not true.

Disagree. Watch the games.

Debate over.

if that is all you have to support your opinion then I am not wasting more of my time.

[chrisab123]

wrong,

In this past playoff smart tied for the 4th most fga in the clutch time...converting on 57% of them (behind only Williams)
In the regular seaon he was 4th

you are just throwing out statements that are not true.

Disagree. Watch the games.

Debate over.

if that is all you have to support your opinion then I am not wasting more of my time.

Sure. There is no debate on this. I've given specific examples about this that you're just choosing to ignore. But back to listening to how Jaylen Brown should be traded for picks and youth.

[Larry_Russell]

So then we essentially traded

Marcus Smart and Grant Williams

for

KP with no extension and some 2nd rounders yeras out.





Terrile asset management imo.


Our only true point guard is hurt, I just dont see white as a PG as the vast majority of his career he has played as a shooting guard






Surely there is another deal being planned on cause this team is against the super tax and is not complete.

White/Pritchard/Davidson
Brown/Brogdon
Tatum/Hauser/Walsh
Porzingas/Horford
Timelord/Kornet


Prithcard, Hauser, Kornet,Walsh are not top 8-10 guys on championship teams, imo.

[zoyathedestroya]

Highly unlikely we would take back salary in a grant trade; would put us over the 2nd apron and prevent us from using the tax payer mle. Grant is going to get sign and traded for minor draft capital most likely

Oh snap. I didn't know we were that close to the 2nd apron. I thought we'd be able to sign and trade Grant for someone who made like $5-9 mil a so AND sign someone to the taxpayer MLE.

Or at least I thought that was one of the benefits of trading down last night from the 1st round into the 2nd..

What about if we trade Brogdon and don't take as much salary back? We shave a few million off in that deal..would we be able to S&T grant for a decent player (or maybe even resign Grant on a team friendly deal) AND sign someone to taxpayer MLE?

The benefit of trading back was able to use the tpmle at all; cause otherwise it would’ve taken us past the second apron which is illegal since you lose the tpmle if you pass the second apron. Now we just have enough space to use the tpmle, sign Walsh and a minimum I believe.

Trading brogdon helps somewhat but not that much because with the new league year the new cba comes into effect and for tax teams like us; matching salary has to be 110% instead of 125 so we need to take back 20.5 mil in salary back if we trade brogdon, so that’s only 2 mil in savings.

I doubt brogdon gets moved before the deadline anyway

I'm unsure if the hard cap is equal to/same as the second tax apron. Is it? (question to CBA experts) It used to be around 7M over the tax line, right?

[zoyathedestroya]

Anyway, in Zarren we trust to figure out this cap ****. Then in Brad to make the necessary roster tweaks. Then in Joe to figure out how to utilize his main guys appropriately and convince them to play the right way.

[zoyathedestroya]

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[steefP2]

Oh snap. I didn't know we were that close to the 2nd apron. I thought we'd be able to sign and trade Grant for someone who made like $5-9 mil a so AND sign someone to the taxpayer MLE.

Or at least I thought that was one of the benefits of trading down last night from the 1st round into the 2nd..

What about if we trade Brogdon and don't take as much salary back? We shave a few million off in that deal..would we be able to S&T grant for a decent player (or maybe even resign Grant on a team friendly deal) AND sign someone to taxpayer MLE?

The benefit of trading back was able to use the tpmle at all; cause otherwise it would’ve taken us past the second apron which is illegal since you lose the tpmle if you pass the second apron. Now we just have enough space to use the tpmle, sign Walsh and a minimum I believe.

Trading brogdon helps somewhat but not that much because with the new league year the new cba comes into effect and for tax teams like us; matching salary has to be 110% instead of 125 so we need to take back 20.5 mil in salary back if we trade brogdon, so that’s only 2 mil in savings.

I doubt brogdon gets moved before the deadline anyway

I'm unsure if the hard cap is equal to/same as the second tax apron. Is it? (question to CBA experts) It used to be around 7M over the tax line, right?

It’s not a hard rule or anything but functionally it’s the same in Boston’s specific case. Because we’re so close to the 2nd apron if we use the tpmle; we can’t go over it because the tpmle doesn’t exist for second apron teams.

It’s a functional hard capping; not the same as the one you have with sign and trades for example.

[Larry_Russell]

Disagree. Watch the games.

Debate over.

if that is all you have to support your opinion then I am not wasting more of my time.

Sure. There is no debate on this. I've given specific examples about this that you're just choosing to ignore. But back to listening to how Jaylen Brown should be traded for picks and youth.

Or are you referencing that game against Miami (game 6) where they doubled the hell out of tatum and smart was the ONLY guy to get free of coverage?

Or that game againts Philly where smart was passed the ball with no time left and he shot after the buzzer?

You cannot blame Marcus because the Jays give him the ball at the end of a couple of games.


Smart has passed the ball to a player for the final shot far more than he took them. You are talkign out your ass.

If you want to say Brown doesnt like smart, thats fine. They had some pretty big fights, Brown hasnt posted (i dont believe) about smart being traded whereas Tatum posted a nice message. I couldnt debate against that stance.


If you want to claim that smart needed moved because we are focusing on 3oint shooting more so than defense then sure I can agree with that. I couldnt debate against that either


Claiming he had to move because the Jays could take the team over is **** dumb. This team has been the Jays for years now.

[chrisab123]

Debate over.

if that is all you have to support your opinion then I am not wasting more of my time.

Sure. There is no debate on this. I've given specific examples about this that you're just choosing to ignore. But back to listening to how Jaylen Brown should be traded for picks and youth.

Or are you referencing that game against Miami (game 6) where they doubled the hell out of tatum and smart was the ONLY guy to get free of coverage?

Or that game againts Philly where smart was passed the ball with no time left and he shot after the buzzer?

You cannot blame Marcus because the Jays give him the ball at the end of a couple of games.


Smart has passed the ball to a player for the final shot far more than he took them. You are talkign out your ass.

If you want to say Brown doesnt like smart, thats fine. They had some pretty big fights, Brown hasnt posted (i dont believe) about smart being traded whereas Tatum posted a nice message. I couldnt debate against that stance.


If you want to claim that smart needed moved because we are focusing on 3oint shooting more so than defense then sure I can agree with that. I couldnt debate against that either


Claiming he had to move because the Jays could take the team over is **** dumb. This team has been the Jays for years now.

No thats exactly the point. Its also been more than a couple of games. These are clutch situations. The point is that in those situations you need to have your stars take the shot. Smart passes the ball at times but loves taking shots. Lots of shots. The bigger the setting, the more shot happy he gets. Games like against the Raptors a couple years back it worked out, games like last year in Miami it almost blew the game for the Celtics. You want to tell me that Smart deferred in the 12th game of the season to Tatum and Tatum made the final shot then fine. But when the games matter, if you had to put your life savings on one Celtic taking that final shot who would it be? Marcus.

And that is the problem...he had to go. The core wasn't going to win. Now Jaylen not being able to dribble or go left is another issue all together but he is a star in the league. A lot easier to move a star even with a soon to be ridiculous contract for value. Plus lets also not forget that this team was better with White in the 2nd half of the season.

[Larry_Russell]

Sure. There is no debate on this. I've given specific examples about this that you're just choosing to ignore. But back to listening to how Jaylen Brown should be traded for picks and youth.

Or are you referencing that game against Miami (game 6) where they doubled the hell out of tatum and smart was the ONLY guy to get free of coverage?

Or that game againts Philly where smart was passed the ball with no time left and he shot after the buzzer?

You cannot blame Marcus because the Jays give him the ball at the end of a couple of games.


Smart has passed the ball to a player for the final shot far more than he took them. You are talkign out your ass.

If you want to say Brown doesnt like smart, thats fine. They had some pretty big fights, Brown hasnt posted (i dont believe) about smart being traded whereas Tatum posted a nice message. I couldnt debate against that stance.


If you want to claim that smart needed moved because we are focusing on 3oint shooting more so than defense then sure I can agree with that. I couldnt debate against that either


Claiming he had to move because the Jays could take the team over is **** dumb. This team has been the Jays for years now.

These are clutch situations. The point is that in those situations you need to have your stars take the shot. [b]Smart passes the ball at times but loves taking shots. Lots of shots. The bigger the setting, the more shot happy he gets. [/b.

That is **** FALSE!!!!!!


As I have stated more than once.

In the CLUTCH smart has always been less than 4th on the team in FGA. in PLAYOFFS

He has never taken more than 4th most shots on the team.



I am done with this.

[chrisab123]

Or are you referencing that game against Miami (game 6) where they doubled the hell out of tatum and smart was the ONLY guy to get free of coverage?

Or that game againts Philly where smart was passed the ball with no time left and he shot after the buzzer?

You cannot blame Marcus because the Jays give him the ball at the end of a couple of games.


Smart has passed the ball to a player for the final shot far more than he took them. You are talkign out your ass.

If you want to say Brown doesnt like smart, thats fine. They had some pretty big fights, Brown hasnt posted (i dont believe) about smart being traded whereas Tatum posted a nice message. I couldnt debate against that stance.


If you want to claim that smart needed moved because we are focusing on 3oint shooting more so than defense then sure I can agree with that. I couldnt debate against that either


Claiming he had to move because the Jays could take the team over is **** dumb. This team has been the Jays for years now.

These are clutch situations. The point is that in those situations you need to have your stars take the shot. [b]Smart passes the ball at times but loves taking shots. Lots of shots. The bigger the setting, the more shot happy he gets. [/b.

That is **** FALSE!!!!!!


As I have stated more than once.

In the CLUTCH smart has always been less than 4th on the team in FGA.

He has never taken more than 4th most shots on the team.



I am done with this.

I guess we're both Cherry Picking here. I'm cherry picking crucial moments that actually matter where Marcus takes the final shot and you're cherry picking moments in the regular season where he takes the 4th most shots with 2 minutes left. I do invite you to revisit once you look back at the endings of most of these playoff games though. All those games you mentioned in the playoffs that Brown and Tatum were covered so Marcus had no choice...it ends up becoming a trend. All I'm pointing out is how that trend will no longer be a thing. Its going to make those two uncomfortable and now they have to sink and swim.

Also, you claim that its been Jaylen and Jayson's team for years. Who was the captain again?

[Larry_Russell]

If we cannot sign and trade Grant W I feel like we are kind of **** as I dont see anyone taking Brogdon from us at this point.

perhaps toronto would like to trade FVV for Brogs+

[Larry_Russell]

who is going to be our passer this season?

Smart was by far the best passer we had.


Next best passer is Brogdon who at 21%
tatum at 20
White at 19
brown at 16.5
KP at 13


There are NO passers on this team now, no playmakers.

The end of game excusion is going to be worse.


Garland
Trey Jones
Hayes
Fultz
Conley
Dinwiddie
FVV
Russell
Monte
Ivey
Cole Anthony
Rozier
Porter Jr

All the above would instantly impove that.

[cloverleaf]

Anyway, in Zarren we trust to figure out this cap ****. Then in Brad to make the necessary roster tweaks. Then in Joe to figure out how to utilize his main guys appropriately and convince them to play the right way.

We've seen success to date with the first two, but unfortunately not the third.

[Larry_Russell]

Brogdon to Chicago for Caruso (saves about 13 million)

can now do
Grant sign and trade and Pritchard to Orlando for
Cole Anthony and Chuma Okeke


Still have the TPMLE for a backup SF and overall bench depth is greatly improved

White/Anthony/Davidson
Brown/Caruso/Walsh
Tatum/.../Hauser
KP/Okeke/Griffin?
Timelord/Horford/Kornet

[MrClass]

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[zoyathedestroya]

Prediction: We let Grant go, we keep Pritchard and Brogdon, and we sign Davison to a regular contract. We get Griffin back for the vibes. (Or add bench scoring? Terrence Ross or TJ Warren, anyone?)

Add Torrey Craig and Dwight Powell in FA if we're done with trades.

White | Brown | Tatum | Porzingis | Timelord
Pritchard | Brogdon | Hauser | Horford | Powell
Davison | Walsh | Craig | Griffin | Kornet

[CelticFaninLBC]

So then we essentially traded

Marcus Smart and Grant Williams

for

KP with no extension and some 2nd rounders yeras out.





Terrile asset management imo.


Our only true point guard is hurt, I just dont see white as a PG as the vast majority of his career he has played as a shooting guard






Surely there is another deal being planned on cause this team is against the super tax and is not complete.

White/Pritchard/Davidson
Brown/Brogdon
Tatum/Hauser/Walsh
Porzingas/Horford
Timelord/Kornet


Prithcard, Hauser, Kornet,Walsh are not top 8-10 guys on championship teams, imo.

Spoiler:

Can you **** wait until mid-July before having another meltdown?

You have to be a teenager.

Attack the post if you must but no need to attack the poster.

[Celts17Pride]

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Monte Morris would look good in a Celtics uniform. Revise the original Clipper deal!